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While you are of course right, that there exist such characters, Belorussian and Ukrainian are not all Cyrillic alphabets. But then, I'm also not an expert on

While you are of course right, that there exist such characters, Belorussian and Ukrainian are not all Cyrillic alphabets. But then, I'm also not an expert on all Slavic languages, I just remember when I was taught Russian and azbuka years ago, there was none and that caught my attention.

varjag 10y ago
Й and ё are in Russian alphabet. In schools it is never highlighted that those are diacritics, so to many it doesn't register.
- vostok 10y ago
  Are those diacritics? I tend to think of them as separate letters just as å and ä are separate letters in Swedish. Of course, ё is usually written as е so I may well be wrong about that. This is different from è, é, ë, and ê in French where these are all e, but with different diacritics.
  - krick 10y ago
    That's my impression of the statement as well. Even if technically they can be called diacritics it doesn't make much sense, not within this discussion. "Й" sounds absolutely unlike "и" and has pretty much no connection to it. "Ё" is a bit more tricky, but nevertheless — there's no another letter in Russian alphabet we could put umlaut on and get the result similar to putting umlaut on "е". I guess "ь" has more right to be called diacritic, because it genuinely has 1 purpose: altering the other sounds. But even that is treated as a separate letter. It's nothing like diacritics in French, German or even Latvian, let alone Arabic.
    - varjag 10y ago
      Й is absolutely linked with и, and it arose as alphabetic distinction from it. It appeared and disappeared for certain periods; in Russian it reestablished as a letter only in 20th century. It is still commonly collated with И in indexes and dictionaries. > "Ё" is a bit more tricky, but nevertheless — there's no another letter in Russian alphabet we could put umlaut on and get the result similar to putting umlaut on "е". This is a bizarre distinction: diacritics in natural languages aren't supposed to be freely recombinable.
lisivka 10y ago
> Belorussian and Ukrainian are not all Cyrillic alphabets. LOL Please, tell us an «all Cyrillic» alphabet. Old Church Slavonic by Saints Cyril and Methodius maybe? Why Belorussian and Ukrainian are «not all Cyrillic alphabets»? (I'm Ukrainian).
- vetinari 10y ago
  There's the difference between 'some' and 'all'. Ukrainian and Belorussian are 'some', not 'all'. Language may have some local specifics - Serbians have Ћ, which all other Cyrillic-using languages do not have. You have І instead of И, etc.

varjag 10y ago

Й and ё are in Russian alphabet. In schools it is never highlighted that those are diacritics, so to many it doesn't register.

vostok 10y ago
Are those diacritics? I tend to think of them as separate letters just as å and ä are separate letters in Swedish. Of course, ё is usually written as е so I may well be wrong about that. This is different from è, é, ë, and ê in French where these are all e, but with different diacritics.
- krick 10y ago
  That's my impression of the statement as well. Even if technically they can be called diacritics it doesn't make much sense, not within this discussion. "Й" sounds absolutely unlike "и" and has pretty much no connection to it. "Ё" is a bit more tricky, but nevertheless — there's no another letter in Russian alphabet we could put umlaut on and get the result similar to putting umlaut on "е". I guess "ь" has more right to be called diacritic, because it genuinely has 1 purpose: altering the other sounds. But even that is treated as a separate letter. It's nothing like diacritics in French, German or even Latvian, let alone Arabic.
  - varjag 10y ago
    Й is absolutely linked with и, and it arose as alphabetic distinction from it. It appeared and disappeared for certain periods; in Russian it reestablished as a letter only in 20th century. It is still commonly collated with И in indexes and dictionaries. > "Ё" is a bit more tricky, but nevertheless — there's no another letter in Russian alphabet we could put umlaut on and get the result similar to putting umlaut on "е". This is a bizarre distinction: diacritics in natural languages aren't supposed to be freely recombinable.

lisivka 10y ago

> Belorussian and Ukrainian are not all Cyrillic alphabets. LOL Please, tell us an «all Cyrillic» alphabet. Old Church Slavonic by Saints Cyril and Methodius maybe? Why Belorussian and Ukrainian are «not all Cyrillic alphabets»? (I'm Ukrainian).

vetinari 10y ago
There's the difference between 'some' and 'all'. Ukrainian and Belorussian are 'some', not 'all'. Language may have some local specifics - Serbians have Ћ, which all other Cyrillic-using languages do not have. You have І instead of И, etc.