>> Most likely, they meant "simple" more in the syntactical sense than in the sense of language abstraction level. Outside of the Clojure world this would be a

>> Most likely, they meant "simple" more in the syntactical sense than in the sense of language abstraction level. Outside of the Clojure world this would be a reasonable interpretation. However, if you watch 'Simple made easy' by Rich Hickey - that was the definition of simple I was going with (as opposed to easy.) >> Macros is just transformation over a data structure, albeit a data structure that is interpreted as code later on. It shouldn't add more complexity than other forms of data transformation. Because they specifically inject before the eval section they _do_ add a lot of complexity. Writing complex macros is a lot of guesswork. >> Neither do I, but I'm glad they exist. Core.async is built with macros, for example. They are part of what makes it possible to have core.async as a library rather than having to build it into the language. I'm not sure what the benefit of this vs 'language features' is at this point.