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This is a great article for a role reversal. Imagine a Chinese military "research" ship off California gathering data on "water salinity". There would be calls

This is a great article for a role reversal. Imagine a Chinese military "research" ship off California gathering data on "water salinity". There would be calls for nukes.

greglindahl 10y ago
Actually, no. Back during the Cold War, Russia sent "trawlers" close to the US all of the time. No nukes were fired.
- revelation 10y ago
  This makes the point. (We are still around after all, so yes, "no nukes were fired")
  - greglindahl 10y ago
    I think you're missing the point. The US policy is symmetric. Here's the agreement signed with the USSR to try to reduce the possibility of collisions etc with the "trawlers" that the USSR had parked in international waters outside US naval bases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Soviet_Incidents_at_Sea_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Soviet_Incidents_...
- miles 10y ago
  No nukes were fired. Only by some divine Providence. Or this guy: Vasili Arkhipov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov Thank you Vasili Arkhipov, the man who stopped nuclear war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-stopped-nuclear-war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili... You (and Almost Everyone You Know) Owe Your Life to This Man. http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/you-and-almost-everyone-you-know-owe-your-life-to-this-man/ http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/you-and-a...
thesimpsons1022 10y ago
not really. russia hacked our election and we did nothing
- gscott 10y ago
  Do you mean brought out information about Clinton and her promoters trying to hack the election by getting questions to debates beforehand, rigging the election against Sanders, and when the head of the DNC was found to be only working on Clinton's behalf having to resign then given a juicy job in Clinton's foundation? Well certainly!
Amezarak 10y ago
Russia, China, and other nations regularly send ships much closer to the US than this ship was to China. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/25/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-operating-near-us.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/25/pentagon-russian-... https://www.rt.com/usa/russian-nuclear-sub-gertz-097/ https://www.rt.com/usa/russian-nuclear-sub-gertz-097/ The US response was: > "We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations." Here are reports of Russian plans and ships patrolling the Californian coast in 2014: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-jets-fly-to-california-coast-in-show-of-force-over-ukraine-commander-says/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-jets-fly-to-california-co...
mythrwy 10y ago
"Off the coast of California" isn't really a good comparison though. The sub was seized something like 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines. In international waters. A long way from the coast of China. So it would be more like a Russian sub cruising around Venezuela or something.
- greglindahl 10y ago
  The location is more than 200 miles away from the nearest thing that China claims is an island. But that's just for economic stuff; 12 miles is the limit for sovereignty.
dba7dba 10y ago
I believe sighting of Russian fish trawlers (actually sig intelligence vessel) off Florida coast during earlier launches of space shuttles was pretty common. That didn't lead to nuclear wars.
dba7dba 10y ago
I believe sighting of Russian fish trawlers (actually sig intelligence vessel) off Florida coast during earlier launches of space shuttles was pretty common. That didn't lead to nuclear wars.
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This is a great article for a role reversal. Imagine a Chinese military "research" ship off California gathering data on "water salinity". There would be calls for nukes.

greglindahl 10y ago

Actually, no. Back during the Cold War, Russia sent "trawlers" close to the US all of the time. No nukes were fired.

revelation 10y ago
This makes the point. (We are still around after all, so yes, "no nukes were fired")
- greglindahl 10y ago
  I think you're missing the point. The US policy is symmetric. Here's the agreement signed with the USSR to try to reduce the possibility of collisions etc with the "trawlers" that the USSR had parked in international waters outside US naval bases: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Soviet_Incidents_at_Sea_agreement https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S.%E2%80%93Soviet_Incidents_...
miles 10y ago
No nukes were fired. Only by some divine Providence. Or this guy: Vasili Arkhipov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasili_Arkhipov Thank you Vasili Arkhipov, the man who stopped nuclear war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili-arkhipov-stopped-nuclear-war https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/oct/27/vasili... You (and Almost Everyone You Know) Owe Your Life to This Man. http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/you-and-almost-everyone-you-know-owe-your-life-to-this-man/ http://phenomena.nationalgeographic.com/2016/03/25/you-and-a...

thesimpsons1022 10y ago

not really. russia hacked our election and we did nothing

gscott 10y ago
Do you mean brought out information about Clinton and her promoters trying to hack the election by getting questions to debates beforehand, rigging the election against Sanders, and when the head of the DNC was found to be only working on Clinton's behalf having to resign then given a juicy job in Clinton's foundation? Well certainly!

Amezarak 10y ago

Russia, China, and other nations regularly send ships much closer to the US than this ship was to China. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/25/pentagon-russian-spy-ship-operating-near-us.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/04/25/pentagon-russian-... https://www.rt.com/usa/russian-nuclear-sub-gertz-097/ https://www.rt.com/usa/russian-nuclear-sub-gertz-097/ The US response was: > "We respect the freedom of all nations, as reflected in international law, to operate military vessels beyond the territorial seas of other nations." Here are reports of Russian plans and ships patrolling the Californian coast in 2014: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-jets-fly-to-california-coast-in-show-of-force-over-ukraine-commander-says/ http://www.cbsnews.com/news/russia-jets-fly-to-california-co...

mythrwy 10y ago

"Off the coast of California" isn't really a good comparison though. The sub was seized something like 50 miles from Subic Bay in the Philippines. In international waters. A long way from the coast of China. So it would be more like a Russian sub cruising around Venezuela or something.

greglindahl 10y ago
The location is more than 200 miles away from the nearest thing that China claims is an island. But that's just for economic stuff; 12 miles is the limit for sovereignty.

dba7dba 10y ago

I believe sighting of Russian fish trawlers (actually sig intelligence vessel) off Florida coast during earlier launches of space shuttles was pretty common. That didn't lead to nuclear wars.

dba7dba 10y ago

I believe sighting of Russian fish trawlers (actually sig intelligence vessel) off Florida coast during earlier launches of space shuttles was pretty common. That didn't lead to nuclear wars.

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