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>China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism Successive US governments have appointed Goldman Sachs

>China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism Successive US governments have appointed Goldman Sachs operatives to important government positions and you find that China is Characterized by corruption and opportunism? >China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism The US started a war for bogus reasons for the benefit of corporations like Haliburton and you find China is Characterized by corruption and opportunism? >China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism Obama did absolutely nothing to punish the people responsible for the worst financial market crash since the great depression and you find that China is Characterized by corruption and opportunism? >China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism Debbie Wasserman-Shultz empowered pay-day lenders using her public office in Florida and you find that China is characterized by corruption and opportunism? >China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism Hillary and Bill Clinton have been PROVEN to have engaged in par-for-play politics with operatives from Arab countries by the Podesta email leaks and you find that China is characterized by corruption and opportunism? >China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism The Koch Brothers have year after year used their money and influence to buy politicians at all levels so that they could pollute, fire people and evade taxes at will and you find that China is characterized by corruption and opportunism? >China, a country's whose politics and economy is currently characterized by corruption and opportunism The Syrian war has been nothing but another one of the USA's oil wars, with the USA FUNDING, ARMING and TRAINING TERRORISTS (Tulsi Gabbard just proposed the Stop Funding Terrorism Act, check it out), all so that Qatar could have a pipeline built from Saudi Arabia to Turkey, with the blessing of the Obama administration, and you find that China is characterized by corruption and opportunism? Throwing stones around while you're living in a glass house aren't you? Have you even seen the CORRUPT people that Donnie-Tiny-Hands-the-Swamp-Monster has appointed to his cabinet?

Fnoord 10y ago
> [a], [b], [c], [d], [e], [f], [h] and you find that China is Characterized by corruption and opportunism? The two are not mutually exclusive.
- dragonbonheur 10y ago
  By the volume of money involved and the impact on the rest of the planet, the USA is the single one country most characterized by corruption and opportunism by a wide margin.
  - Apocryphon 10y ago
    The U.S. is pretty corrupt but China is plainly more corrupt by the generally agreed standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index It's pretty neat that Hong Kong is perceived as right after the U.S., though!
    - dragonbonheur 10y ago
      Perceptions can be distorted, Facts not so much.
    - paradite 10y ago
      Have you considered the possibility that low corruption in the U.S. is partly attributed to the widespread practice of lobbying and political donations, which serve essentially the same purpose as corruption but not counted as corruption? (Thanks Russia)
      - Apocryphon 10y ago
        That's certainly possible. I am not denying that the U.S. has corruption. I'm just saying that it's much easier to characterize a newly-developed nation such as China, which went through rapid modernization in the last half century (and much in the last three decades alone), as marked by corruption, because that's often characteristic of a newly booming country. The Chinese civilization is ancient, but the PRC is a relatively new country. The sort of corruption the U.S. experience has is been baked in, over time. One generally does not compare corruption in long-modernized first world countries with countries that have either gone through drastic government changes recently, or decolonized countries. They simply exist in different scales.
sehr 10y ago
The arrow quote things don't work on hn fwiw, try italicizing it with asterisks around the paragraphs.

Fnoord 10y ago

> [a], [b], [c], [d], [e], [f], [h] and you find that China is Characterized by corruption and opportunism? The two are not mutually exclusive.

dragonbonheur 10y ago
By the volume of money involved and the impact on the rest of the planet, the USA is the single one country most characterized by corruption and opportunism by a wide margin.
- Apocryphon 10y ago
  The U.S. is pretty corrupt but China is plainly more corrupt by the generally agreed standard: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index It's pretty neat that Hong Kong is perceived as right after the U.S., though!
  - dragonbonheur 10y ago
    Perceptions can be distorted, Facts not so much.
  - paradite 10y ago
    Have you considered the possibility that low corruption in the U.S. is partly attributed to the widespread practice of lobbying and political donations, which serve essentially the same purpose as corruption but not counted as corruption? (Thanks Russia)
    - Apocryphon 10y ago
      That's certainly possible. I am not denying that the U.S. has corruption. I'm just saying that it's much easier to characterize a newly-developed nation such as China, which went through rapid modernization in the last half century (and much in the last three decades alone), as marked by corruption, because that's often characteristic of a newly booming country. The Chinese civilization is ancient, but the PRC is a relatively new country. The sort of corruption the U.S. experience has is been baked in, over time. One generally does not compare corruption in long-modernized first world countries with countries that have either gone through drastic government changes recently, or decolonized countries. They simply exist in different scales.

sehr 10y ago

The arrow quote things don't work on hn fwiw, try italicizing it with asterisks around the paragraphs.