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...Can't the Clojure people just implement a native code compiler for mobile stuff? I mean, come on, CL/Scheme have been doing that for years, and they weren't

...Can't the Clojure people just implement a native code compiler for mobile stuff? I mean, come on, CL/Scheme have been doing that for years, and they weren't constrained by the JVM, forcing a more optimized design.

ethagnawl 10y ago
You can already write Android applications using Clojure[0] without too much trouble. There were a few rough edges when I last dabbled, but that was ~1.5 years ago and I imagine the ecosystem has only gotten better in the meantime. [0] - http://clojure-android.info/ http://clojure-android.info/
- pjmlp 10y ago
  No, the eco-system hardly changed and it just increases the development effort by forcing developers to move out of the Android Studio workflow and being slower than pure Java.
nikki93 10y ago
You could try running ClojureScript over React Native. Nice thing about that is you use React paradigms for UI which IMO makes ClojureScript really shine, and you can use Figwheel etc. and it can be cross-platform.
- qwertyuiop924 10y ago
  ...Still not compiled to native. Which is what my question was about.
  - jgalt212 10y ago
    Clojure was designed from the beginning to be a hosted language. It's its greatest strength (great Java and JS interop) and weakness (no native binaries).
    - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
      Why can't we compile it to native? Lisp wasn't even designed to be run by computers, but that didn't stop Steve Russel.
      - jgalt212 10y ago
        well, it's not just interop, but many core language functions are currently handed off to Java or JS. e.g. string operations and regex engine immediately come to mind.
        qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        ...So hand them off to C.
        grzm 10y ago
        There have been some that target C. I haven't looked into them other than searching for them. - https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4217898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4217898
timbuckley 10y ago
You are welcome to start working on it at any time.

ethagnawl 10y ago

You can already write Android applications using Clojure[0] without too much trouble. There were a few rough edges when I last dabbled, but that was ~1.5 years ago and I imagine the ecosystem has only gotten better in the meantime. [0] - http://clojure-android.info/ http://clojure-android.info/

pjmlp 10y ago
No, the eco-system hardly changed and it just increases the development effort by forcing developers to move out of the Android Studio workflow and being slower than pure Java.

nikki93 10y ago

You could try running ClojureScript over React Native. Nice thing about that is you use React paradigms for UI which IMO makes ClojureScript really shine, and you can use Figwheel etc. and it can be cross-platform.

qwertyuiop924 10y ago
...Still not compiled to native. Which is what my question was about.
- jgalt212 10y ago
  Clojure was designed from the beginning to be a hosted language. It's its greatest strength (great Java and JS interop) and weakness (no native binaries).
  - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
    Why can't we compile it to native? Lisp wasn't even designed to be run by computers, but that didn't stop Steve Russel.
    - jgalt212 10y ago
      well, it's not just interop, but many core language functions are currently handed off to Java or JS. e.g. string operations and regex engine immediately come to mind.
      - qwertyuiop924 10y ago
        ...So hand them off to C.
        grzm 10y ago
        There have been some that target C. I haven't looked into them other than searching for them. - https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme https://github.com/takeoutweight/clojure-scheme - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4217898 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4217898

timbuckley 10y ago

You are welcome to start working on it at any time.