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Been to Paris a few times. Second trip someone slammed me into a metro car door and stole my wallet. Each time I went there were more and more immigrants loit

Been to Paris a few times. Second trip someone slammed me into a metro car door and stole my wallet. Each time I went there were more and more immigrants loitering in groups on the streets, facing off with more and more police. Felt like a powder keg. Most of the people that I worked with in Paris used cars or motorcycles; they earned IT and professional wages and could afford to avoid the prevailing public transport, which they did. Later the company I was involved with moved to a 'suburb' (not sure that's the appropriate term...) of Lyon. Huge improvement in every way and no one at that site used any public transport; all cars. This was the early 2000's. I imagine the bad parts have gotten worse since then; if you look like a tourist or foreign worker don't go near the metro outside of business hours.

thatfrenchguy 10y ago
French here, lived in Paris, no-one in their sane mind would use their cars every day in the city center, and you can take the metro up until midnight and nothing will happen.
athrun 10y ago
Come on. I won't dispute your past experiences but you really should avoid extrapolating on anecdotal data. Car ownership for Parisian households sits at 39%. Zooming out to the Ile-de-France region (population: 12 million), 33% of households don't have a car. source (french): http://transports.blog.lemonde.fr/2015/05/03/la-preuve-par-la-carte-non-tout-le-monde-ne-possede-pas-une-voiture/ http://transports.blog.lemonde.fr/2015/05/03/la-preuve-par-l... Regarding your comments on safety, I certainly believe the city feels much safer today than in early 2000's. (Obviously not talking about terrorist acts, as they are not caused by 'immigrants loitering in groups on the streets').
- user5994461 10y ago
  > Regarding your comments on safety, I certainly believe the city feels much safer today than in early 2000's. Then I don't want to imagine what it must have been like in the 2000's. :(

thatfrenchguy 10y ago

French here, lived in Paris, no-one in their sane mind would use their cars every day in the city center, and you can take the metro up until midnight and nothing will happen.

athrun 10y ago

Come on. I won't dispute your past experiences but you really should avoid extrapolating on anecdotal data. Car ownership for Parisian households sits at 39%. Zooming out to the Ile-de-France region (population: 12 million), 33% of households don't have a car. source (french): http://transports.blog.lemonde.fr/2015/05/03/la-preuve-par-la-carte-non-tout-le-monde-ne-possede-pas-une-voiture/ http://transports.blog.lemonde.fr/2015/05/03/la-preuve-par-l... Regarding your comments on safety, I certainly believe the city feels much safer today than in early 2000's. (Obviously not talking about terrorist acts, as they are not caused by 'immigrants loitering in groups on the streets').

user5994461 10y ago
> Regarding your comments on safety, I certainly believe the city feels much safer today than in early 2000's. Then I don't want to imagine what it must have been like in the 2000's. :(