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Oh really? Those companies each have 100m-worth of crypto-breaking hardware? Ok then.

blackflame7000 10y ago
Yea pretty sure google, facebook, and amazon servers are busy, you know, running google, facebook, and amazon. Business can't afford to have resources like that NSA sitting around for test. The government throws out more hardware in a day then most business buy in a year. Literally thousands of perfectly good i7/i5s being destroyed because they don't have up to date TPM / secure boot stuff
- mabbo 10y ago
  Each of those companies needs enough hardware to handle their highest expected loads. But most of the time, they aren't near their peak needs, leaving a lot of hosts sitting idle. AWS and other cloud providers face the same situation, but to another order of magnitude. These leftovers would be enough to match what the NSA has.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - robotresearcher 10y ago
    How do you know?
  - iamthepieman 10y ago
    This is not true
  - petre 10y ago
    > These leftovers would be enough to match what the NSA has. They still need power to run theese, space to store them. All of that costs money. Why woold a private org break crypto if it has nothing to gain from it? And besides, people willingly give their data to Google, Facebook, Amazon. Why would theese orgs need to crack anything at all?
    - clort 10y ago
      > All of that costs money. They have money http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/11/technology/overseas-cash-tech/ (Your other points may or may not be valid)
    - mabbo 10y ago
      You're missing the point- the hosts are already there, powered but sitting idle. They are the reserve computing capacity. They must be there for when load increases. This is why AWS exists, because Amazon needed to have 4X capacity on cyber Monday, but not the rest of the year. I'm not saying there is any benefit to google cracking VPNs, but simply that they could, that they are an organization with enough hardware to do it.
      - blackflame7000 10y ago
        I think you are forgetting the fact that your standard run of the mill xeons and tesla's in a typical server farm are still far slower than custom hardware accelerated circuits with no clock rate specifically designed for cracking a specific encryption system. There isn't really a justifiable commercial reason to need them on that scale at present.
- dsfyu404ed 10y ago
  >The government throws out more hardware in a day then most business buy in a year. Literally thousands of perfectly good i7/i5s being destroyed because they don't have up to date TPM / secure boot stuff With a handful of exceptions you're mostly wrong. It's hard for the gov to throw things away, or even sell them to a 3rd party at scale. There's proper channels for getting rid of anything that isn't literally trash. Government being government the people who run those channels really don't like when they're not used. Especially in defense. Google "DMRO".
  - blackflame7000 10y ago
    I work for spawar. Every single machine without TPM and secure boot is being destroyed. I wasn't even allowed to take spare extra ram as it all goes to the shredder.

Yea pretty sure google, facebook, and amazon servers are busy, you know, running google, facebook, and amazon. Business can't afford to have resources like that NSA sitting around for test. The government throws out more hardware in a day then most business buy in a year. Literally thousands of perfectly good i7/i5s being destroyed because they don't have up to date TPM / secure boot stuff

mabbo 10y ago
Each of those companies needs enough hardware to handle their highest expected loads. But most of the time, they aren't near their peak needs, leaving a lot of hosts sitting idle. AWS and other cloud providers face the same situation, but to another order of magnitude. These leftovers would be enough to match what the NSA has.
- deleted 10y ago
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- robotresearcher 10y ago
  How do you know?
- iamthepieman 10y ago
  This is not true
- petre 10y ago
  > These leftovers would be enough to match what the NSA has. They still need power to run theese, space to store them. All of that costs money. Why woold a private org break crypto if it has nothing to gain from it? And besides, people willingly give their data to Google, Facebook, Amazon. Why would theese orgs need to crack anything at all?
  - clort 10y ago
    > All of that costs money. They have money http://money.cnn.com/2015/05/11/technology/overseas-cash-tech/ (Your other points may or may not be valid)
  - mabbo 10y ago
    You're missing the point- the hosts are already there, powered but sitting idle. They are the reserve computing capacity. They must be there for when load increases. This is why AWS exists, because Amazon needed to have 4X capacity on cyber Monday, but not the rest of the year. I'm not saying there is any benefit to google cracking VPNs, but simply that they could, that they are an organization with enough hardware to do it.
    - blackflame7000 10y ago
      I think you are forgetting the fact that your standard run of the mill xeons and tesla's in a typical server farm are still far slower than custom hardware accelerated circuits with no clock rate specifically designed for cracking a specific encryption system. There isn't really a justifiable commercial reason to need them on that scale at present.
dsfyu404ed 10y ago
>The government throws out more hardware in a day then most business buy in a year. Literally thousands of perfectly good i7/i5s being destroyed because they don't have up to date TPM / secure boot stuff With a handful of exceptions you're mostly wrong. It's hard for the gov to throw things away, or even sell them to a 3rd party at scale. There's proper channels for getting rid of anything that isn't literally trash. Government being government the people who run those channels really don't like when they're not used. Especially in defense. Google "DMRO".
- blackflame7000 10y ago
  I work for spawar. Every single machine without TPM and secure boot is being destroyed. I wasn't even allowed to take spare extra ram as it all goes to the shredder.