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I want to know if the red light run caught on video was while the car was in self driving mode. Of course there was a human in there, and Uber blames them, but

I want to know if the red light run caught on video was while the car was in self driving mode. Of course there was a human in there, and Uber blames them, but what role did the self driving play? Was it a case where the self driving software messed up and the human didn't catch it in time? If so this is a pretty big deal. Wouldn't you expect the very first people they put in these things to be competent people that were doing their best? This would indicate to me that it isn't realistic to expect the humans to jump in that quickly. There's a dude stepping out into the crosswalk, fer Chrissake.

rajathagasthya 10y ago
> I want to know if the red light run caught on video was while the car was in self driving mode. Of course there was a human in there, and Uber blames them, but what role did the self driving play? I'm guessing if they had a permit, they would've had to disclose this to the DMV.
unclebucknasty 10y ago
>Wouldn't you expect the very first people they put in these things to be competent people that were doing their best? I recently mentioned on another thread that I think the primary purpose of that driver is not safety, but to absorb culpability in the event that the tech fails. I just don't think it's reasonable to expect any human to reliably perform the task of correcting the vehicle. Imagine sitting at the wheel in a passive mode for an hour as the car performs flawlessly. Then, in one intersection, it suddenly malfunctions. Now, you are supposed to a) recognize that it's failing and b) suddenly take corrective action--all in, perhaps, a split second? When you're controlling the vehicle, you know your intent. When you are "monitoring" you must assess the vehicle's intent. Even if you do so perfectly there is, by definition, some delay. That delay could be costly.
- robbrown451 10y ago
  Yeah, completely agree on how it is unrealistic to expect them to correct in such a situation. I would think, though, that they'd still be smart enough to put someone competent in there. Because if there is an accident, it is still going to look bad on them and the tech. (and of course this supports what you are saying, that it simply isn't reasonable to expect them to do that)
  - Tempest1981 10y ago
    Agreed. There is still a chance the human will see something that the vision-system misses -- like the red light far off to the side. The human may instinctively hit the brakes to avoid hitting someone/something.

rajathagasthya 10y ago

> I want to know if the red light run caught on video was while the car was in self driving mode. Of course there was a human in there, and Uber blames them, but what role did the self driving play? I'm guessing if they had a permit, they would've had to disclose this to the DMV.

unclebucknasty 10y ago

>Wouldn't you expect the very first people they put in these things to be competent people that were doing their best? I recently mentioned on another thread that I think the primary purpose of that driver is not safety, but to absorb culpability in the event that the tech fails. I just don't think it's reasonable to expect any human to reliably perform the task of correcting the vehicle. Imagine sitting at the wheel in a passive mode for an hour as the car performs flawlessly. Then, in one intersection, it suddenly malfunctions. Now, you are supposed to a) recognize that it's failing and b) suddenly take corrective action--all in, perhaps, a split second? When you're controlling the vehicle, you know your intent. When you are "monitoring" you must assess the vehicle's intent. Even if you do so perfectly there is, by definition, some delay. That delay could be costly.

robbrown451 10y ago
Yeah, completely agree on how it is unrealistic to expect them to correct in such a situation. I would think, though, that they'd still be smart enough to put someone competent in there. Because if there is an accident, it is still going to look bad on them and the tech. (and of course this supports what you are saying, that it simply isn't reasonable to expect them to do that)
- Tempest1981 10y ago
  Agreed. There is still a chance the human will see something that the vision-system misses -- like the red light far off to the side. The human may instinctively hit the brakes to avoid hitting someone/something.