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> have potentially unsafe run ins with the mentally ill. while i understand your point, it's not really fair. you can have potentially unsafe run-ins with the
by wheelerwj 10y ago
> have potentially unsafe run ins with the mentally ill.
while i understand your point, it's not really fair. you can have potentially unsafe run-ins with the mentally sane just as easily. you can also have potentially unsafe run-ins with the mentally ill while in a Lyft or Uber.
You are trying to say thay you want a quiet, peaceful, possibly even restful commute because you want to be focused at work. But that's not what you are actually typing.
- yummyfajitas 10y agoIt's actually a lot harder to have a violent run-in with a sane person. Crazy people really are more dangerous than normal ones. http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/mental-illness-and-violence http://www.health.harvard.edu/newsletter_article/mental-illn...
- lwf 10y agoThe lede of your link appears to disagree with you: > Most individuals with psychiatric disorders are not violent. Although a subset of people with psychiatric disorders commit assaults and violent crimes, findings have been inconsistent about how much mental illness contributes to this behavior and how much substance abuse and other factors do.
- WillPostForFood 10y agoNo it doesn't; he didn't say most individuals with psychiatric disorders are violent. He said they are more violent than people with non-psychiatric disorders, which the article supports (especially if they also have a substance abuse problem).
- wheelerwj 10y agoeveryone with substance abuse problems are more violent. correlation is not causation.
- WillPostForFood 10y agoFirst, no, that is not true. Second, no one is trying to prove causation here, so it is irrelevant. Third, the existence of more violence is enough to justify avoidance, so causes and correlations can be left to policy makers and sociologists.
- Spooky23 10y agoYou can also get attacked by a pack of rabid dogs. It's just less likely. "Mentally ill" is a deflection that waters down the statistics. People with a combination of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder and substance abuse problems are more likely -- I believe 5-7x more to engage in violent behavior. I worked in a central business district (not SFO) in a large office building where I'm personally aware of at least a dozen muggings and a half dozen attempted rapes by homeless people who turned out to be suffering from that combo. The company hired valets and provided escorts to employees, particular female employees to parking and mass transit. Eventually a change in local administration brought a police crackdown that resoled the problem. That's not to say that all homeless people or people struggling with various maladies are all bad. But they do present a higher risk, and it's not unreasonable for people to want to keep a wide berth.
- wheelerwj 10y agoif you are going to use numbers, at least provide sources.
- Spooky23 10y agohttps://www.google.com/search?q=Schizophrenia+substance+abuse+violence https://www.google.com/search?q=Schizophrenia+substance+abus...
- wheelerwj 10y agoIf you think a quick Google search proves anything then you might be on the wrong website. maybe facebook would be more appropriate? substance abuse increases the risk of violence in ALL people, it's not isolated to schizophrenics. if you're a woman and your suffering from substance abuse problems your nearly 7x as likely to attempt suicide. And almost 75% of people who seak treatment for substance abuse have admitted to committing violent acts while under the influence. [1] Another study finds that while violence and schizophrenia specifically are often perceived to be correlated, "the proportion of violent crime in society attributable to schizophrenia consistently falls below 10%." [2] So really, your company could be investing those funds into providing healthcare for people who need it rather than catering to delicate snowflakes who don't want to participate in society. [1] http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/substance-use-disorder/link-between-substance-abuse-violence-and-suicide http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/substance-use-disorder/link-... [2] http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/180/6/490 http://bjp.rcpsych.org/content/180/6/490
- dang 10y agoWe detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13198586 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13198586 and marked it off-topic.