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Eight years? We're assuming the incumbent will be re-elected in four years? At that point we might as well just assume they abolish the two-term limit and cro

Eight years? We're assuming the incumbent will be re-elected in four years? At that point we might as well just assume they abolish the two-term limit and crown him king.

DiabloD3 10y ago
This guy is being downvoted, but he's right, although he put it in a very antagonistic way. I don't see Trump making it to a second term, especially with all the missteps he's taken so far, and he's not even President yet.
- pre4646744 10y ago
  Frankly at this point I'm not sure of anything. I'm just waiting to see what happens next.
cookiecaper 10y ago
Incumbents almost always win their elections. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years, but in general, an assumption that a new President-elect will serve two terms is reasonably safe.
- caf 10y ago
  In the last 50 years, seven incumbents have sought re-election and five were successful - 71%. That's a good hit rate, but hardly "safe".
  - MaysonL 10y ago
    And one declined to seek re-election because he knew he would lose, making it 5 of 8, 62.5%.
    - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
      Ok, so I'd never actually tallied the numbers. This does indeed indicate that Trump has a roughly 6/10 prior chance of winning reelection. Mind, I think that prior is moved by the fact that he's a historically unpopular president-elect already, but we will indeed see over four years what he manages to make of himself. Or whether he manages to collapse capitalism once and for all. Whatever.
  - cookiecaper 10y ago
    You have to consider the circumstances around the incumbents that failed to be re-elected. Ford lost the election because of his association with Watergate and particularly his decision to pardon Nixon. Carter lost primarily due to the failure of Operation Eagle Claw. George H.W. Bush lost because Perot came in and split the conservative vote. Stretching back further in the 20th century, Hoover lost due to the depression and LBJ declined to run for a second term because the Vietnam War was so unpopular they knew he wouldn't have a chance. None of those are conventional political circumstances. So while you're right that it's about 3/4 incumbent races won, it seems that if there isn't a massive ongoing crisis, scandal, or political anomaly, the incumbent's chances are very good.
    - jeffshek 10y ago
      "In reality," says mathematician John Allen Paulos, "the most astonishingly incredible coincidence imaginable would be the complete absence of all coincidences." For a job like president, the circumstances are almost always ongoing a crisis or political anomaly. I imagine re-elected incumbents also had to face exceptional political circumstances, just were able to navigate through them with luck and skill.
    - caf 10y ago
      George H.W. Bush lost because Perot came in and split the conservative vote. That's been debunked: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/ ...and really, in general this is just so much post-facto justification. Whatever the election result, Reasons will always be found in hindsight. If Clinton had lost in '96, you'd be able to say it was due to the Whitewater affair. If GWB had lost in '04, you'd be able to blame the unpopular wars in the middle east (or more specifically, Abu Graib). If Obama had lost in '12, it would be easy to pin it on Obamacare.
      - CamperBob2 10y ago
        That page doesn't debunk anything, it's just a thinly-disguised advertisement for a film.

Eight years? We're assuming the incumbent will be re-elected in four years? At that point we might as well just assume they abolish the two-term limit and crown him king.

DiabloD3 10y ago

This guy is being downvoted, but he's right, although he put it in a very antagonistic way. I don't see Trump making it to a second term, especially with all the missteps he's taken so far, and he's not even President yet.

pre4646744 10y ago
Frankly at this point I'm not sure of anything. I'm just waiting to see what happens next.

cookiecaper 10y ago

Incumbents almost always win their elections. Who knows where we'll be in 4 years, but in general, an assumption that a new President-elect will serve two terms is reasonably safe.

caf 10y ago
In the last 50 years, seven incumbents have sought re-election and five were successful - 71%. That's a good hit rate, but hardly "safe".
- MaysonL 10y ago
  And one declined to seek re-election because he knew he would lose, making it 5 of 8, 62.5%.
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    Ok, so I'd never actually tallied the numbers. This does indeed indicate that Trump has a roughly 6/10 prior chance of winning reelection. Mind, I think that prior is moved by the fact that he's a historically unpopular president-elect already, but we will indeed see over four years what he manages to make of himself. Or whether he manages to collapse capitalism once and for all. Whatever.
- cookiecaper 10y ago
  You have to consider the circumstances around the incumbents that failed to be re-elected. Ford lost the election because of his association with Watergate and particularly his decision to pardon Nixon. Carter lost primarily due to the failure of Operation Eagle Claw. George H.W. Bush lost because Perot came in and split the conservative vote. Stretching back further in the 20th century, Hoover lost due to the depression and LBJ declined to run for a second term because the Vietnam War was so unpopular they knew he wouldn't have a chance. None of those are conventional political circumstances. So while you're right that it's about 3/4 incumbent races won, it seems that if there isn't a massive ongoing crisis, scandal, or political anomaly, the incumbent's chances are very good.
  - jeffshek 10y ago
    "In reality," says mathematician John Allen Paulos, "the most astonishingly incredible coincidence imaginable would be the complete absence of all coincidences." For a job like president, the circumstances are almost always ongoing a crisis or political anomaly. I imagine re-elected incumbents also had to face exceptional political circumstances, just were able to navigate through them with luck and skill.
  - caf 10y ago
    George H.W. Bush lost because Perot came in and split the conservative vote. That's been debunked: http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-ross-perot-myth/ ...and really, in general this is just so much post-facto justification. Whatever the election result, Reasons will always be found in hindsight. If Clinton had lost in '96, you'd be able to say it was due to the Whitewater affair. If GWB had lost in '04, you'd be able to blame the unpopular wars in the middle east (or more specifically, Abu Graib). If Obama had lost in '12, it would be easy to pin it on Obamacare.
    - CamperBob2 10y ago
      That page doesn't debunk anything, it's just a thinly-disguised advertisement for a film.