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Honestly? It's just easier 99% of the time. And I don't mean easier in the sense that you could give Arch to a linux newbie and expect it to work. But if somet

by Tharre 10y ago

Honestly? It's just easier 99% of the time. And I don't mean easier in the sense that you could give Arch to a linux newbie and expect it to work. But if something breaks in Arch, I can almost certainly just open up the wiki page and fix it. Ubuntu keeps breaking stuff over and over again that I just don't know how to fix. EDIT: Thinking about it, a lot of those issues probably also come from the fact that I usually don't reinstall my OS. With Arch is designed for, but Ubuntu/Fedora/etc. not so much.

lisivka 10y ago
> I usually don't reinstall my OS. With Arch is designed for, but Ubuntu/Fedora/etc. not so much. LOL. Debian has one of the best automatic upgrading procedure long before Arch is born. RedHat/Fedora was not good at automatic upgrading between releases when an conflict happens, but it was doable with third-party Smart package manager. Now Fedora supports upgrade out of the box. I never ever reinstalled any of my Fedora or Debian distro just for upgrade.
- Tharre 10y ago
  Debian sure has, but I wasn't talking about Debian. Fedora on the other hand just doesn't, or at least not in my typical usage. Maybe third party package managers would help in that regard, but if I'm going to babysit my distro I'd rather have something I can understand, like Arch.
  - lisivka 10y ago
    Why you think you cannot understand Fedora? RPM based distributions are easy to explore. "rpm -qf /path/to/file" to get name of a package, "rpm -ql name" to get list of other files in the package, then RTFM of package. Smart packager is not necessary anymore. Default package manager dnf is smart enough. Smart was good because it is crossplatform (deb/rpm/tgz packages and apt/yum repos were supported), with both console and graphical UI. It also provides smart changesets, like dnf does now.
  - digi_owl 10y ago
    There are times i wonder if everything that Gnome and Freedesktop has developed in recent years is a response to issues with Fedora, but presented as issues with the larger Linux ecosystem.

by Tharre 10y ago

lisivka 10y ago

> I usually don't reinstall my OS. With Arch is designed for, but Ubuntu/Fedora/etc. not so much. LOL. Debian has one of the best automatic upgrading procedure long before Arch is born. RedHat/Fedora was not good at automatic upgrading between releases when an conflict happens, but it was doable with third-party Smart package manager. Now Fedora supports upgrade out of the box. I never ever reinstalled any of my Fedora or Debian distro just for upgrade.

Tharre 10y ago
Debian sure has, but I wasn't talking about Debian. Fedora on the other hand just doesn't, or at least not in my typical usage. Maybe third party package managers would help in that regard, but if I'm going to babysit my distro I'd rather have something I can understand, like Arch.
- lisivka 10y ago
  Why you think you cannot understand Fedora? RPM based distributions are easy to explore. "rpm -qf /path/to/file" to get name of a package, "rpm -ql name" to get list of other files in the package, then RTFM of package. Smart packager is not necessary anymore. Default package manager dnf is smart enough. Smart was good because it is crossplatform (deb/rpm/tgz packages and apt/yum repos were supported), with both console and graphical UI. It also provides smart changesets, like dnf does now.
- digi_owl 10y ago
  There are times i wonder if everything that Gnome and Freedesktop has developed in recent years is a response to issues with Fedora, but presented as issues with the larger Linux ecosystem.