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> unwilling to run the same 60 hour gauntlet that a 25 year old _can_ etc. Older people _can_ run 60 hour gauntlets. We're just wise enough to know that it lea
by maerF0x0 10y ago
> unwilling to run the same 60 hour gauntlet that a 25 year old _can_ etc.
Older people _can_ run 60 hour gauntlets. We're just wise enough to know that it leads to no good outcome.
- enraged_camel 10y agoI think it's a matter of degree. A two week crunch time every 6 months is OK, maybe even beneficial. Every month though? Not OK, and definitely detrimental.
- paulcole 10y ago> A two week crunch time every 6 months is OK, maybe even beneficial Being overworked nearly 10% of the time is not "OK"
- drewrv 10y agoDepends how often you're underworked.
- chadgeidel 10y agoIf people are overworked 10% and underworked 10% (or any other similar number) that's an "project management smell". I wouldn't want to work there. Unless they offer tons of vacation. :-)
- Vinnl 10y agoI think I dislike underworking as much as overworking.
- bitwize 10y agoThat wisdom makes you of negative business value to your manager, since he still believes 60-hour gauntlets are an intrinsic part of being on time and under budget. Hence, you won't get hired.
- KZeillmann 10y agoI'd be happy not to be hired by such a manager. Crunch time happens sometimes, and you gotta do what you gotta do. But 60 hour weeks as a matter of course are a dealbreaker for me.
- sodapopcan 10y agoThey are a deal-breaker for me, too, at 35 as they were at 30.
- brokenmasonjars 10y agoI gotta get a giggle. Not that I'm mocking 60 hour work weeks, that's still a lot of hours no doubt. But whenever I read 60 hour work weeks as a big deal I just think back to my time as a chef. I think the max I capped out was 120 hours a week, and I did that for 5 weeks straight before contracting pneumonia due to a cold I got sometime within that period. Never again. Hell...10 hours of work per week is enough to discourage me these days heh.
- ArlenBales 10y agoMore like, I won't "hire" him. Hiring is a two way street. Always ask about how much overtime is expected from a job during interviews. If you don't believe in >40 hour work weeks, except maybe under rare conditions, then don't "hire" your prospective employer.
- smallnamespace 10y agoBut once a recruiter has this type of experience with a few older candidates, they will be more likely to discount older candidates in the future, regardless of whether those later individuals were willing to do 60+ hour weeks or not.
- ygjb-dupe 10y agoThen that recruiter should schedule themselves for a rectal occipital extraction :)
- dahdum 10y agoOlder people are more likely to have stable homes, relationships, expenses and goals. This can also translate into a "comfortable groove" of 60+ hour weeks that goes on indefinitely, simply because it's not a grueling ordeal.
- edblarney 10y ago"We're just wise enough to know that it leads to no good outcome." I'm middle aged, working with some very young people right now, and I'm having an epiphany, because they are running around like chickens with their heads cut-toff, and I see there's no reason for it, they are equating 'sweat and crunch' with 'value' and making all sorts of mistakes. The epiphany is: they remind me exactly of me at that age! And they won't take any advice. I mightn't have either ... though I did definitely respect my managers ... and they have none ... These problems are particularly pernicious when the younger teams have no upper management, or have never worked in larger organizations. Hopefully, we are starting to realize the value of older devs in some situations and can respect their abilities wherein they are valuable.
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- burnallofit 10y ago"Your lack of planning does not translate into my crisis"