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The young'uns here probably have not lived thru the Microsoft era in the 90s when "Embrace Extend Extinguish" was the operating motto and any Market where MS en

The young'uns here probably have not lived thru the Microsoft era in the 90s when "Embrace Extend Extinguish" was the operating motto and any Market where MS entered would send competitors quaking in fear. They were late to the internet party and then under the disastrous leadership of Ballamer (mindshare wise, not revenue) they completely lost the plot. Now they are indeed enjoying a resurgence, less evil, more relevant and surprisingly accepting of Open source software. How the world turns....

lisivka 10y ago
They are still trying to sue IBM for Linux via SCO: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/linux-kernel-lawsuit-sco-v-ibm-is-alive-13-years-and-counting/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/linux-kernel-laws... . So I see no change.
- yuhong 10y ago
  Is MS still contributing money to this lawsuit? It was on my poorly written wishlist, but I was not sure about it at the time.
- cutler 10y ago
  MS still operates a Linux patent extortion racket yet the tech press seem to be all over them since their recent charm offensive. MS is The Beast and always will be. See http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/ http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/ for more.
hsitz 10y ago
The counterpart to "embrace, extend, and extinguish" was spreading FUD: "fear, uncertainty, and doubt". This was the strategy they took towards Linux, which as open source was not susceptible to embrace, extend, extinguish. So the Microsoft propaganda machine was used to make people afraid of open source, in many different ways. The current course of Microsoft appears to have changed a lot, with open source being accepted and even "embraced". If someone can explain to me how embrace, extend, and extinguish could apply to Linux, I'd be curious to hear.
- dispose13432 10y ago
  What will happen if programmers feel "comfortable" on WSL and MS doesn't implement (or worse, breaks) a system call? Or, what about if MS decides to make a "nice" "new" system call, whose implementation is closed source. Will Apache now have to maintain a fork for Windows WSL and Linux? Will Linux now have to create a Wine-like project to reverse-engineer and fix all the WSL bugs and copy features?
acomjean 10y ago
I kind of thought that it was a new microsoft. Then we switched to office 365 at work. New app icons keep appearing. I love checking them out. They still seem to release a lot of clone like software: MS flow = ifttt [1] MS planner = trello [2] MS forms = google forms "MS Power Apps" seems interesting but I haven't had a chance to explore. [1] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/microsofts-ifttt-like-flow-is-now-out-of-beta/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/micros... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/06/microsoft-officially-launches-planner-its-trello-competitor/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/06/microsoft-officially-launc...
- donmatito 10y ago
  And MS Teams (soon) = Slack

lisivka 10y ago

They are still trying to sue IBM for Linux via SCO: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/linux-kernel-lawsuit-sco-v-ibm-is-alive-13-years-and-counting/ http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/03/linux-kernel-laws... . So I see no change.

yuhong 10y ago
Is MS still contributing money to this lawsuit? It was on my poorly written wishlist, but I was not sure about it at the time.
cutler 10y ago
MS still operates a Linux patent extortion racket yet the tech press seem to be all over them since their recent charm offensive. MS is The Beast and always will be. See http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/ http://techrights.org/2016/03/10/charm-offensives-distract/ for more.

hsitz 10y ago

The counterpart to "embrace, extend, and extinguish" was spreading FUD: "fear, uncertainty, and doubt". This was the strategy they took towards Linux, which as open source was not susceptible to embrace, extend, extinguish. So the Microsoft propaganda machine was used to make people afraid of open source, in many different ways. The current course of Microsoft appears to have changed a lot, with open source being accepted and even "embraced". If someone can explain to me how embrace, extend, and extinguish could apply to Linux, I'd be curious to hear.

dispose13432 10y ago
What will happen if programmers feel "comfortable" on WSL and MS doesn't implement (or worse, breaks) a system call? Or, what about if MS decides to make a "nice" "new" system call, whose implementation is closed source. Will Apache now have to maintain a fork for Windows WSL and Linux? Will Linux now have to create a Wine-like project to reverse-engineer and fix all the WSL bugs and copy features?

acomjean 10y ago

I kind of thought that it was a new microsoft. Then we switched to office 365 at work. New app icons keep appearing. I love checking them out. They still seem to release a lot of clone like software: MS flow = ifttt [1] MS planner = trello [2] MS forms = google forms "MS Power Apps" seems interesting but I haven't had a chance to explore. [1] http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/microsofts-ifttt-like-flow-is-now-out-of-beta/ http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/11/micros... [2] https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/06/microsoft-officially-launches-planner-its-trello-competitor/ https://techcrunch.com/2016/06/06/microsoft-officially-launc...

donmatito 10y ago
And MS Teams (soon) = Slack