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I would love to hear more about this. Both you and the lawyer in the story recognize it as true, but is this something you're taught ... or learn officially ..

by jawns 10y ago

I would love to hear more about this. Both you and the lawyer in the story recognize it as true, but is this something you're taught ... or learn officially ... or learn unofficially?

sandworm101 10y ago
Exact procedures are of of course classified, but talk to enough people under investigation, read enough warrant affidavits, and you learn the patterns. They haven't changed much over the decades. They still dress in 1950ish black suits with sunglasses, at least when they want people to recognze them. This is a culture no different than any other corporation. They all dress to look like the boss/oldest man in the room. FBI agents follow the trial lawyers credo "never ask a question you don't already know the answer to". They dont ask for a meeting until they know enough to dominate the conversation. Thats why they watch nearly everyone they ever deal with. Actual footage of a low-level FBI agent engaged in semi-covert activities. Note the suit, haircut and body language (Ex-soldier, doesn't know a thing about the tech he is standing amongst). He stands in the middle of the action because he thinks that makes him part of the process, but all he can really do to help is close the cage door. This is a very junior agent out doing unimportant grunt work. He doesn't even have a partner with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqX4oJWV-Ws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqX4oJWV-Ws
- pzh 10y ago
  He kind of looks like Dean Winchester from 'Supernatural', and I thought that was a cliché.
- morerow 10y ago
  I was interviewed by FBI agents in a small town, and they did not appear sophisticated at all. First, they went to my mother's old employer that she had left 8 years prior. The message got passed to me and I called them. They mispronounced words, tried to intimidate me and at one point said, "We aren't the Federal Bureau of Information" when I pointed out holes in their questions. I'm sure if I was a high priority this would had been different.
- dopamean 10y ago
  > FBI agents follow the trial lawyers credo "never ask a question you don't already know the answer to" When I was 18 I got a visit from the FBI that was related to some trouble I had gotten into when I was 15. They asked me a question about something I definitely never did and then later in the conversation circled back to my denial and told me they had proof that I did it. It was a really scary and bizarre moment. It was at that moment that I realized they were asking questions not to get the answers but to see what I said. I asked them to leave (they had showed up to my house) and to come back the next day when I could have a lawyer present. They did.
  - vkou 10y ago
    Did they leave, or did they leave and come back?
    - dopamean 10y ago
      They came back the next day and we finished the conversation with my attorney present.
- rahrahrah 10y ago
  What's riseup?
  - vkou 10y ago
    A group that tries to provide secure means of communication for protests and activists. Take the fact that the FBI have seized and replaced their co-located servers as you will.
    - rahrahrah 10y ago
      Right, got it.

by jawns 10y ago

I would love to hear more about this. Both you and the lawyer in the story recognize it as true, but is this something you're taught ... or learn officially ... or learn unofficially?

sandworm101 10y ago

Exact procedures are of of course classified, but talk to enough people under investigation, read enough warrant affidavits, and you learn the patterns. They haven't changed much over the decades. They still dress in 1950ish black suits with sunglasses, at least when they want people to recognze them. This is a culture no different than any other corporation. They all dress to look like the boss/oldest man in the room. FBI agents follow the trial lawyers credo "never ask a question you don't already know the answer to". They dont ask for a meeting until they know enough to dominate the conversation. Thats why they watch nearly everyone they ever deal with. Actual footage of a low-level FBI agent engaged in semi-covert activities. Note the suit, haircut and body language (Ex-soldier, doesn't know a thing about the tech he is standing amongst). He stands in the middle of the action because he thinks that makes him part of the process, but all he can really do to help is close the cage door. This is a very junior agent out doing unimportant grunt work. He doesn't even have a partner with him. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqX4oJWV-Ws https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqX4oJWV-Ws

pzh 10y ago
He kind of looks like Dean Winchester from 'Supernatural', and I thought that was a cliché.
morerow 10y ago
I was interviewed by FBI agents in a small town, and they did not appear sophisticated at all. First, they went to my mother's old employer that she had left 8 years prior. The message got passed to me and I called them. They mispronounced words, tried to intimidate me and at one point said, "We aren't the Federal Bureau of Information" when I pointed out holes in their questions. I'm sure if I was a high priority this would had been different.
dopamean 10y ago
> FBI agents follow the trial lawyers credo "never ask a question you don't already know the answer to" When I was 18 I got a visit from the FBI that was related to some trouble I had gotten into when I was 15. They asked me a question about something I definitely never did and then later in the conversation circled back to my denial and told me they had proof that I did it. It was a really scary and bizarre moment. It was at that moment that I realized they were asking questions not to get the answers but to see what I said. I asked them to leave (they had showed up to my house) and to come back the next day when I could have a lawyer present. They did.
- vkou 10y ago
  Did they leave, or did they leave and come back?
  - dopamean 10y ago
    They came back the next day and we finished the conversation with my attorney present.
rahrahrah 10y ago
What's riseup?
- vkou 10y ago
  A group that tries to provide secure means of communication for protests and activists. Take the fact that the FBI have seized and replaced their co-located servers as you will.
  - rahrahrah 10y ago
    Right, got it.