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Yes I discounted everything you have said because you skimmed philosophy. On the contrary, every philosophers skims all the time, because there are tons of pub

Yes I discounted everything you have said because you skimmed philosophy. On the contrary, every philosophers skims all the time, because there are tons of publications and it is impossible to carefully work through all of them. But you have to at least take a glance to check whether you should work through them carefully. There is simply no way around that, it's the reality of our work. a dense article from one of the up and coming giants in contemporary philosophy. ROTFL. You've got be kidding me... You know what I was told when I started studying philosophy? If you want to become a famous philosopher, you should write as vague and ominous as possible. People seem to like that, even if makes no sense. Spot on. You just slammed 90% of your contemporaries. Sure, but they do the same. All of them. That's my point. I have not met a single philosopher in my life who didn't mourn about the horrible, horrible trash that they have to read, and I've met quite a few. Not only that, it's a very old tradition among philosophers to hold their discipline in disregard, a tradition that started with Socrates and certainly hasn't ended with Wittgenstein. Nearly every famous philosophy has slammed his discipline, and I'd bet that the less famous did, too, they are just no longer known so it's harder to verify in the library. How can you "promote" philosophy in college without being aware of that? And why would you promote philosophy at all? Nobody should come to philosophy without a burning interest in particular philosophical questions, anyone else drops out of the study program anyway.

baldfat 10y ago
> On the contrary, every philosophers skims all the time, because there are tons of publications and it is impossible to carefully work through all of them. Sub-par academic discipline. I read everything in my Graduate classes and that was 2,000 to 13,000 pages a class a semester. If you aren't careful with your reading you must be careful to not speak of your ignorance. This is why we have PhD silos. It is 100% expected that a Philosophy/Theology/Literature PhD has read everything in his point of study. In my classes it was 100% expected that I read all the major primary works on whatever we were studying and all the significant secondary sources (that is always subjective but it always equaled hundreds of pages) > Sure, but they do the same. All of them. That's my point. I have not met a single philosopher in my life who didn't mourn about the horrible, horrible trash that they have to read, and I've met quite a few. My parents : "Just cause everyone else is doing it doesn't mean its right" Also my empirical evidence is different then yours. > How can you "promote" philosophy in college without being aware of that? I am 100% aware that that statement is untrue. Historically they would disagree with different schools of thought but they would even quote other philosophers as evidence to back up their point. > How can you "promote" philosophy in college without being aware of that? And why would you promote philosophy at all? Nobody should come to philosophy without a burning interest in particular philosophical questions, anyone else drops out of the study program anyway. A) Every student with a BA or a BS with some rare exceptions must all complete a Philosophy/Ethics class. I guess I should have told them to all drop out instead of having to learn Philosophy in this class for the next 13 weeks? B) You have acted dismissive to the article and of my words. You use empirical evidence so I kind of am done with this discussion. C) Your presenting yourself cynic and not a skeptic. Those are polar opposites.
- jonathanstrange 10y ago
  >I read everything in my Graduate classes and that was 2,000 to 13,000 pages a class a semester. If you aren't careful with your reading That is the exact opposite of careful reading, that is skimming. But of course your super-brain can process and fully understand 13,000 pages per class per semester without skimming. How ridiculous. >I am 100% aware that that statement is untrue. No, you're just trolling, and I'm starting to doubt that you even have studied philosophy. >My parents : "Just cause everyone else is doing it doesn't mean its right" ...and also not that it's false... >Also my empirical evidence is different then yours. <sarcasm>Well, I'm so sorry that I haven't used your empirical evidence in my original post then.</sarcasm> But what's even more troubling about your post is that you confuse empirical evidence with personal experience, which are the words that I have used. That's exactly the kind of sloppiness that is rightly giving philosophy such a bad rap. >You use empirical evidence so I kind of am done with this discussion. I would leave that standing as is, except I need to point out that empirical evidence != personal experience. So much for your reading comprehension. >You have acted dismissive to the article and of my words. Yes, that article is crap, full of deviations, jumps in thinking, loose association, and vague and fuzzy vocabulary. It's a light essay, not what I would count as serious philosophy. If you cannot live with the fact that others disagree with you about your articles, then philosophy is really not the right place for you to be, because, as you should have noticed by now, people disagree a lot in philosophy. >Every student with a BA or a BS with some rare exceptions must all complete a Philosophy/Ethics class. I guess I should have told them to all drop out instead of having to learn Philosophy in this class for the next 13 weeks? Frankly speaking, I have gotten doubts whether they learn philosophy in those classes at all, as opposed to history of philosophy, fast reading, and essay writing. >Your presenting yourself cynic and not a skeptic. Oh dear, how cliche is that. I'm neither a skeptic nor a cynic. I have clearly stated that 10% of the publications in philosophy are extremely interesting and worth reading. Similar things can be said about every discipline, the vast majority of what is published is sub par, only the ratio of trash:good differs from discipline to discipline. If you cannot even agree with that, then I can only shake my head in disbelieve and move on. Anyway, you should perhaps take it a bit easier and try sounding like a normal person rather than some highly pretentious 'eminent scholar'. I didn't like your article and I still don't like it, okay? You disagree with my assessment of the article and the state of philosophy. Fine. Noted. Bye!

baldfat 10y ago

> On the contrary, every philosophers skims all the time, because there are tons of publications and it is impossible to carefully work through all of them. Sub-par academic discipline. I read everything in my Graduate classes and that was 2,000 to 13,000 pages a class a semester. If you aren't careful with your reading you must be careful to not speak of your ignorance. This is why we have PhD silos. It is 100% expected that a Philosophy/Theology/Literature PhD has read everything in his point of study. In my classes it was 100% expected that I read all the major primary works on whatever we were studying and all the significant secondary sources (that is always subjective but it always equaled hundreds of pages) > Sure, but they do the same. All of them. That's my point. I have not met a single philosopher in my life who didn't mourn about the horrible, horrible trash that they have to read, and I've met quite a few. My parents : "Just cause everyone else is doing it doesn't mean its right" Also my empirical evidence is different then yours. > How can you "promote" philosophy in college without being aware of that? I am 100% aware that that statement is untrue. Historically they would disagree with different schools of thought but they would even quote other philosophers as evidence to back up their point. > How can you "promote" philosophy in college without being aware of that? And why would you promote philosophy at all? Nobody should come to philosophy without a burning interest in particular philosophical questions, anyone else drops out of the study program anyway. A) Every student with a BA or a BS with some rare exceptions must all complete a Philosophy/Ethics class. I guess I should have told them to all drop out instead of having to learn Philosophy in this class for the next 13 weeks? B) You have acted dismissive to the article and of my words. You use empirical evidence so I kind of am done with this discussion. C) Your presenting yourself cynic and not a skeptic. Those are polar opposites.

jonathanstrange 10y ago
>I read everything in my Graduate classes and that was 2,000 to 13,000 pages a class a semester. If you aren't careful with your reading That is the exact opposite of careful reading, that is skimming. But of course your super-brain can process and fully understand 13,000 pages per class per semester without skimming. How ridiculous. >I am 100% aware that that statement is untrue. No, you're just trolling, and I'm starting to doubt that you even have studied philosophy. >My parents : "Just cause everyone else is doing it doesn't mean its right" ...and also not that it's false... >Also my empirical evidence is different then yours. <sarcasm>Well, I'm so sorry that I haven't used your empirical evidence in my original post then.</sarcasm> But what's even more troubling about your post is that you confuse empirical evidence with personal experience, which are the words that I have used. That's exactly the kind of sloppiness that is rightly giving philosophy such a bad rap. >You use empirical evidence so I kind of am done with this discussion. I would leave that standing as is, except I need to point out that empirical evidence != personal experience. So much for your reading comprehension. >You have acted dismissive to the article and of my words. Yes, that article is crap, full of deviations, jumps in thinking, loose association, and vague and fuzzy vocabulary. It's a light essay, not what I would count as serious philosophy. If you cannot live with the fact that others disagree with you about your articles, then philosophy is really not the right place for you to be, because, as you should have noticed by now, people disagree a lot in philosophy. >Every student with a BA or a BS with some rare exceptions must all complete a Philosophy/Ethics class. I guess I should have told them to all drop out instead of having to learn Philosophy in this class for the next 13 weeks? Frankly speaking, I have gotten doubts whether they learn philosophy in those classes at all, as opposed to history of philosophy, fast reading, and essay writing. >Your presenting yourself cynic and not a skeptic. Oh dear, how cliche is that. I'm neither a skeptic nor a cynic. I have clearly stated that 10% of the publications in philosophy are extremely interesting and worth reading. Similar things can be said about every discipline, the vast majority of what is published is sub par, only the ratio of trash:good differs from discipline to discipline. If you cannot even agree with that, then I can only shake my head in disbelieve and move on. Anyway, you should perhaps take it a bit easier and try sounding like a normal person rather than some highly pretentious 'eminent scholar'. I didn't like your article and I still don't like it, okay? You disagree with my assessment of the article and the state of philosophy. Fine. Noted. Bye!