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That's business as usual for politicians though isn't it?

lintiness 10y ago
the tech community's attacks on trump were and continue to be very personal (he's a lunatic, etc.). he doesn't owe them a damn thing, much less a policy meeting where he's open to their ideas.
- eduren 10y ago
  >he doesn't owe them a damn thing, much less a policy meeting where he's open to their ideas Wait, what? He's the president now. It's in his job description to work with them.
  - nickff 10y ago
    You mean like Obama worked with his opponents?[1][2] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/10/17/president-obama-to-republicans-i-won-deal-with-it/?utm_term=.3a41abf9ee77 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/10/17/pr... [2] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/25/obama-tells-republicans-sit.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/25/obama-tells-repub...
    - eduren 10y ago
      Opponents != Constituents. Since Trump is president now he has a duty to listen to the people he serves.
      - nickff 10y ago
        Bezos said very negative things about Trump, and I think it is fair to say they were opponents during the election campaign.[1] Even Clinton is a Trump constituent now, but they were (and may still be) political opponents. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-donald-trump-eroding-our-democracy-2016-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-donald-trump-erodi...
        Thnboi666 10y ago
        Trump also had some pretty nasty things to say about the GOP, but he's working with them pretty well..
        nickff 10y ago
        I would definitely agree that Trump and the Republican party leadership were antagonists or opponents (depending on how you look at it), though Trump had some support within the Republican party. It will be interesting to see whether he demotes or gets rid of the individuals who went against him, or finds some way to work with them.
      - TheGirondin 10y ago
        The people elected Congress to represent them. They are literally representatives of his constituents.
    - CocaKoala 10y ago
      Please go in to some detail on all of the ways in which the Republicans made efforts to cooperate with President Obama during his first term as president; I'm especially interested to hear how they achieved this cooperation while simultaneously setting record levels of obstruction [1]. [1] http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/c...
      - nickff 10y ago
        I agree that it takes two to tango; it seems that after Obama's first two years in office, when he ignored the Republicans, the latter were very spiteful. It is possible that the Republicans would have obstructed President Obama regardless, but I am unsure of what the counter-factual would look like.
        CocaKoala 10y ago
        Can you provide a source for how President Obama ignored the Republicans for his first two years in office? Or are you suggesting that because Reid moved to invoke cloture a record number of times in 2007, this is an indication that the Democrats are ignoring the Republicans because more filibusters are being broken than ever before?
        nickff 10y ago
        I would say that passing Obamacare without a single Republican vote in either the House or Senate counts as 'ignoring the Republicans'. I would also say that Reid's alteration of Senate rules (A.K.A. 'the nuclear option') was done to avoid compromising with the Republicans. There are many other examples of this sort of behavior, and I am not saying that either side is 'better than the other', just that President Obama was not an innocent victim of mean partisans.
        CocaKoala 10y ago
        You stated that President Obama ignored the Republicans for his first two years in office, but the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2009, more than two years after he took office. I don't see how this supports your point, because it doesn't take place during the time period that you're talking about. Harry Reid altered Senate rules in 2011, which is well after Obama served two years in office. Again, can you provide an example of how Obama ignored the Republicans during his first two years in office? You say that there are many examples of this sort of behavior, but you failed to provide any of them. Edit: And let's be clear here, we've already shifted goalposts once; initially I asked you to provide examples of how the Republicans made efforts to cooperate with President Obama during his first two years in office, and you very neatly juked that by saying "well, he ignored them for his first two years and it made them mad". If you've made an assertion that you can't provide evidence for, please say that you are wrong; I don't want to have to chase your point through this argument.
  - TheGirondin 10y ago
    Considering the outgoing President saw no reason to work with the Congress that the people elected, I'd say this is a step "forward."
    - CocaKoala 10y ago
      Did the Congress see any reason to work with the President?
      - TheGirondin 10y ago
        It's ok if the other does it?
        CocaKoala 10y ago
        If the Republicans make it clear that they're not willing to work with the President, I'm not sure what you expect the President to do about it.
        TheGirondin 10y ago
        And yet Trump is meeting with people who own newspapers that have been working against him.
        CocaKoala 10y ago
        Hang on, let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here. There's evidence that Republicans met before Obama took office and agreed to stonewall as many of his proposals as possible, so that they could point to his failure to enact change as an example of how he didn't get anything done. Are you equating that level of obstruction to newspapers publishing articles disagreeing with Trump's positions?
- sixstringtheory 10y ago
  The POTUS is a public servant, not an authoritarian dictator. He owes every citizen his ear.
- Thnboi666 10y ago
  might have to do with the callous way he talks about encryption, censoring the internet, and the "cyber" from the way he talks and from his background it's clear that he doesn't possess a technical understanding of the kinds of technology these people create and maintain.

the tech community's attacks on trump were and continue to be very personal (he's a lunatic, etc.). he doesn't owe them a damn thing, much less a policy meeting where he's open to their ideas.

eduren 10y ago
>he doesn't owe them a damn thing, much less a policy meeting where he's open to their ideas Wait, what? He's the president now. It's in his job description to work with them.
- nickff 10y ago
  You mean like Obama worked with his opponents?[1][2] [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/10/17/president-obama-to-republicans-i-won-deal-with-it/?utm_term=.3a41abf9ee77 https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2013/10/17/pr... [2] http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/25/obama-tells-republicans-sit.html http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/10/25/obama-tells-repub...
  - eduren 10y ago
    Opponents != Constituents. Since Trump is president now he has a duty to listen to the people he serves.
    - nickff 10y ago
      Bezos said very negative things about Trump, and I think it is fair to say they were opponents during the election campaign.[1] Even Clinton is a Trump constituent now, but they were (and may still be) political opponents. [1] http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-donald-trump-eroding-our-democracy-2016-10 http://www.businessinsider.com/jeff-bezos-donald-trump-erodi...
      - Thnboi666 10y ago
        Trump also had some pretty nasty things to say about the GOP, but he's working with them pretty well..
        nickff 10y ago
        I would definitely agree that Trump and the Republican party leadership were antagonists or opponents (depending on how you look at it), though Trump had some support within the Republican party. It will be interesting to see whether he demotes or gets rid of the individuals who went against him, or finds some way to work with them.
    - TheGirondin 10y ago
      The people elected Congress to represent them. They are literally representatives of his constituents.
  - CocaKoala 10y ago
    Please go in to some detail on all of the ways in which the Republicans made efforts to cooperate with President Obama during his first term as president; I'm especially interested to hear how they achieved this cooperation while simultaneously setting record levels of obstruction [1]. [1] http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/clotureCounts.htm http://www.senate.gov/pagelayout/reference/cloture_motions/c...
    - nickff 10y ago
      I agree that it takes two to tango; it seems that after Obama's first two years in office, when he ignored the Republicans, the latter were very spiteful. It is possible that the Republicans would have obstructed President Obama regardless, but I am unsure of what the counter-factual would look like.
      - CocaKoala 10y ago
        Can you provide a source for how President Obama ignored the Republicans for his first two years in office? Or are you suggesting that because Reid moved to invoke cloture a record number of times in 2007, this is an indication that the Democrats are ignoring the Republicans because more filibusters are being broken than ever before?
        nickff 10y ago
        I would say that passing Obamacare without a single Republican vote in either the House or Senate counts as 'ignoring the Republicans'. I would also say that Reid's alteration of Senate rules (A.K.A. 'the nuclear option') was done to avoid compromising with the Republicans. There are many other examples of this sort of behavior, and I am not saying that either side is 'better than the other', just that President Obama was not an innocent victim of mean partisans.
        CocaKoala 10y ago
        You stated that President Obama ignored the Republicans for his first two years in office, but the Affordable Care Act was passed in 2009, more than two years after he took office. I don't see how this supports your point, because it doesn't take place during the time period that you're talking about. Harry Reid altered Senate rules in 2011, which is well after Obama served two years in office. Again, can you provide an example of how Obama ignored the Republicans during his first two years in office? You say that there are many examples of this sort of behavior, but you failed to provide any of them. Edit: And let's be clear here, we've already shifted goalposts once; initially I asked you to provide examples of how the Republicans made efforts to cooperate with President Obama during his first two years in office, and you very neatly juked that by saying "well, he ignored them for his first two years and it made them mad". If you've made an assertion that you can't provide evidence for, please say that you are wrong; I don't want to have to chase your point through this argument.
- TheGirondin 10y ago
  Considering the outgoing President saw no reason to work with the Congress that the people elected, I'd say this is a step "forward."
  - CocaKoala 10y ago
    Did the Congress see any reason to work with the President?
    - TheGirondin 10y ago
      It's ok if the other does it?
      - CocaKoala 10y ago
        If the Republicans make it clear that they're not willing to work with the President, I'm not sure what you expect the President to do about it.
        TheGirondin 10y ago
        And yet Trump is meeting with people who own newspapers that have been working against him.
        CocaKoala 10y ago
        Hang on, let's make sure we're talking about the same thing here. There's evidence that Republicans met before Obama took office and agreed to stonewall as many of his proposals as possible, so that they could point to his failure to enact change as an example of how he didn't get anything done. Are you equating that level of obstruction to newspapers publishing articles disagreeing with Trump's positions?
sixstringtheory 10y ago
The POTUS is a public servant, not an authoritarian dictator. He owes every citizen his ear.
Thnboi666 10y ago
might have to do with the callous way he talks about encryption, censoring the internet, and the "cyber" from the way he talks and from his background it's clear that he doesn't possess a technical understanding of the kinds of technology these people create and maintain.