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> Approximately 50% of American citizens are made to believe Snowden is a traitor. He took highly-classified information to China & Russia. What other word th

by zeveb 10y ago

> Approximately 50% of American citizens are made to believe Snowden is a traitor. He took highly-classified information to China & Russia. What other word than 'traitor' applies? He's not 'the defender of democracy and freedom'; he's a criminal, a spy and — yes — a traitor. Nothing he has alleged is illegal or unconstitutional (the Constitution does not mandate all good things, nor does it forbid all bad things). He didn't expose massive wrongdoing: he exposed lawful, constitutional intelligence operations. I know I'm going to get downvoted to hell, but honestly I don't care: it is both correct and should not be forgotten that Mr. Snowden broke the law and violated the trust which his nation put in him.

zentiggr 10y ago
I would be careful to separate out exactly what trust he violated. He certainly violated the trust of his superiors. He certainly upheld the trust of his nation - that is to say, all of us being spied upon by those superiors. Remember, it is up to us citizens to tell our government what we will or won't accept as proper behavior, no matter what legal framework the government tries to surround us with.
ionised 10y ago
> He took highly-classified information to China & Russia. What other word than 'traitor' applies? Do you guys keep repeating falshoods over and over again even in the face of evidence to the contrary for a reason? Do you think if you keep spouting lies they will somehow become true? He leaked the information to journalists globally. He didn't hand the information over to China or Russia. Whatever information they might have on US surveillance operations came from the same leaks the journalists have chosen to release. Snowden was not in possession of any documents by the time he arrived in Russia. > he's a criminal, a spy and — yes — a traitor. A criminal under the espionage act yes, but he's also a whistleblower that is being denied whisteblower protections. A spy? I assume you have some proof of this otherwise you are talking out of your ass. A traitor? A traitor to his superiors maybe. His loyalty was to the American people first and foremost, not the government. As yours should be. He betrayed a secretive, undemocratic practice by an unaccountable government. The people should be singing his praises because he acted in the very interests of the Republic and its people, you know that thing you all claim to love and protect in your weird, cult-like pledges of allegiance that you force your kids to recite? The fact that you have been convinced by those that don't have your interests at heart that a man that was trying to help you is your enemy is the ultimate fucking tragedy here.
sammydavis 10y ago
he broke the law, but he didn't bring the classified info to those governments. by all accounts he has shielded that info from them, that he did share with journalists. I can't understand why you make these mis-statements.

by zeveb 10y ago

zentiggr 10y ago

I would be careful to separate out exactly what trust he violated. He certainly violated the trust of his superiors. He certainly upheld the trust of his nation - that is to say, all of us being spied upon by those superiors. Remember, it is up to us citizens to tell our government what we will or won't accept as proper behavior, no matter what legal framework the government tries to surround us with.

ionised 10y ago

> He took highly-classified information to China & Russia. What other word than 'traitor' applies? Do you guys keep repeating falshoods over and over again even in the face of evidence to the contrary for a reason? Do you think if you keep spouting lies they will somehow become true? He leaked the information to journalists globally. He didn't hand the information over to China or Russia. Whatever information they might have on US surveillance operations came from the same leaks the journalists have chosen to release. Snowden was not in possession of any documents by the time he arrived in Russia. > he's a criminal, a spy and — yes — a traitor. A criminal under the espionage act yes, but he's also a whistleblower that is being denied whisteblower protections. A spy? I assume you have some proof of this otherwise you are talking out of your ass. A traitor? A traitor to his superiors maybe. His loyalty was to the American people first and foremost, not the government. As yours should be. He betrayed a secretive, undemocratic practice by an unaccountable government. The people should be singing his praises because he acted in the very interests of the Republic and its people, you know that thing you all claim to love and protect in your weird, cult-like pledges of allegiance that you force your kids to recite? The fact that you have been convinced by those that don't have your interests at heart that a man that was trying to help you is your enemy is the ultimate fucking tragedy here.

sammydavis 10y ago

he broke the law, but he didn't bring the classified info to those governments. by all accounts he has shielded that info from them, that he did share with journalists. I can't understand why you make these mis-statements.