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Let's take a small step back here; just like the anti-Google sentiment that was about a few months back it seems is Facebooks turn to face the fire (mostly thei
by ErrantX 17y ago
Let's take a small step back here; just like the anti-Google sentiment that was about a few months back it seems is Facebooks turn to face the fire (mostly their fault).
A lot of what they are doing is, at best, ethically unsound or, at worst, privacy invading. In this case I'd say (from initial reading) it sits on the scale slap bang in the middle of "a douchebag thing to do".
But. It doesn't feel hypocritical because their argument is that their ToS attempt to deny users the right to access their accounts this way. The Email services, as far as I am aware, that FB scrape either explicitly allow or do not disallow such action. It seems "axe grinding" to bring that into the discussion.
Notably this article does not appear to discuss or link to articles about the suit Facebook has filed [meta point: I hate that, it feels sneaky]. It appears (from research) that it is an long running dispute between Power and Facebook. They have also filed Trademark infringements and other stuff against them at the same time (no comment on the general legitimacy of such claims for the moment).
I haven't fully digested all the information to have a complete opinion on this but... I think that this is part of Facebook trying to win the wider battle with Power.com, I'm not sure it reflects a deliberate move by them to try and turn ToS violations into criminal violations. However I am definitely in agreement with the EFF that if a potential side effect of any eventual ruling will bring in such criminal elements then it is a bad thing and should be fought. Hopefully when I can actually open all the PDF filings the picture will be clearer :)
References (I believe this is the suit being referred to):
http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2009/01/facebook-vs-power-ventures.html http://www.niallkennedy.com/blog/2009/01/facebook-vs-power-v...
http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/9th-circuit/facebook-inc-v-power-ventures-inc http://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/9th-circuit/facebook-inc-...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook,_Inc._v._Power_Ventures,_Inc http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facebook,_Inc._v._Power_Venture....
EDIT: amusingly TechCrunch seems to have the best summary of things from last year... http://techcrunch.com/2009/07/09/powercom-countersues-facebook-over-data-portability/ http://techcrunch.com/2009/07/09/powercom-countersues-facebo...
- VBprogrammer 17y agoI find in a surprising number of instances today's hacker news is tomorrows mainstream news. If the tech blogs are buzzing with this story today you will often find this as a side story on mainstream news sites (the bbc etc) tomorrow. This will get facebooks attention.
- ErrantX 17y agoI doubt they will do it full justice - there is over a years legal dispute in the background of this. What the EFF are worried about (I've read their submission but the original FB brief is downloading reaaaaly slowly) is that where Facebook are claiming Power have committed a criminal offence in ignoring a cease and desist and accessing peoples accounts (apparently contrary to the ToS) the extension that could come from a favourable ruling is that individuals may be breaking criminal laws too (Cal sec 502(c) in particular). Clearly that is silly and the EFF are asking the courts to see that.