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And this is why you don't design UI for major companies. Yes, the data has value to some users: which is why it's still available. It's completely misleading

And this is why you don't design UI for major companies. Yes, the data has value to some users: which is why it's still available. It's completely misleading in the general case however which is why it's gone from the general UI

mikeash 10y ago
It was optional and off by default. Why wasn't that good enough?
- OskarS 10y ago
  Presumably this was their thinking: either the number is accurate, or it isn't. If it is accurate, then we can have a discussion about whether or not we should show it by default. In this case, you would probably decide to show it (or give the option to show or hide it), because it's a number that's highly valuable to the end user. However, if the number IS NOT accurate, then don't even give the user the option to see it. It's just going to be misleading.
  - mikeash 10y ago
    The problem with this thinking is that "accurate" is not a binary property.
  - ptaipale 10y ago
    Is the percentage then accurate? Hardly.
tmd83 10y ago
I will actually take this. If you are talking about useless information for most users what about the battery percentage? What does that 45% gives a layman user? They basically will try to estimate in their head how long until they need to charge and you are saying its more user friendly for a user to guess what a percentage (or Wh) means than for the OS with the actual information of the current & historical powerdraw to estimate and help the user? I thought computers were suppose to this sort silly computations for you.
kristopolous 10y ago
A personal attack?! Being a protector of the hypothetically imbecile user is why some software has been rushing full speed to lowest common denominator design. This toxic culture strives to corral users and remove features. These are the same projects which seem to be getting slower and buggier with each release. It's making me absolutely abhor the industry I work in and I'm ashamed of such workmanship. I don't know when it became so fashionable to try to excel at making terrible software.
dagenleg 10y ago
Are you implying that major companies can never do wrong? I don't care whether UI is designed by big or small company, usability is what matter and what we discuss here.

mikeash 10y ago

It was optional and off by default. Why wasn't that good enough?

OskarS 10y ago
Presumably this was their thinking: either the number is accurate, or it isn't. If it is accurate, then we can have a discussion about whether or not we should show it by default. In this case, you would probably decide to show it (or give the option to show or hide it), because it's a number that's highly valuable to the end user. However, if the number IS NOT accurate, then don't even give the user the option to see it. It's just going to be misleading.
- mikeash 10y ago
  The problem with this thinking is that "accurate" is not a binary property.
- ptaipale 10y ago
  Is the percentage then accurate? Hardly.

tmd83 10y ago

I will actually take this. If you are talking about useless information for most users what about the battery percentage? What does that 45% gives a layman user? They basically will try to estimate in their head how long until they need to charge and you are saying its more user friendly for a user to guess what a percentage (or Wh) means than for the OS with the actual information of the current & historical powerdraw to estimate and help the user? I thought computers were suppose to this sort silly computations for you.

kristopolous 10y ago

A personal attack?! Being a protector of the hypothetically imbecile user is why some software has been rushing full speed to lowest common denominator design. This toxic culture strives to corral users and remove features. These are the same projects which seem to be getting slower and buggier with each release. It's making me absolutely abhor the industry I work in and I'm ashamed of such workmanship. I don't know when it became so fashionable to try to excel at making terrible software.

dagenleg 10y ago

Are you implying that major companies can never do wrong? I don't care whether UI is designed by big or small company, usability is what matter and what we discuss here.