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There are definitely multiple sides to this, like any story. Your imaginary account of the other side does strike me as presumptuous. You were not there, but yo

by pg314 10y ago

There are definitely multiple sides to this, like any story. Your imaginary account of the other side does strike me as presumptuous. You were not there, but you do feel entitled to paint a picture of what could have happened. It's like saying to somebody who said they got beat up in the park, that there is another side to their story: they were provoking the other party, and when they got into a fight they didn't run.

yummyfajitas 10y ago
Last time I was in Amsterdam, a friend of mine related the experience he had last night. (Details changed a bit to protect the guilty.) After being out late drinking, he was refused service at several bars for being too drunk. Then, while stumbling around in the streets in search of a bar that would serve them, this craazy biker stopped and punched him in the face completely unprovoked. Then he biked away. Finally he found a bar that would let him in, and gave him sympathy for his bleeding face. Shortly thereafter the asshole bartender kicked him out for no good reason. He's doesn't remember getting home. Now I wasn't there. But I do feel entitled to paint an alternate picture of what could have happened. After recovering from his hangover he recognized that my alternate picture of what happened was actually pretty reasonable. Was I wrong to suggest this alternate picture?
- rmxt 10y ago
  So... second guessing someone's retelling of a completely sober, undoubtedly career impacting scenario (one way or another) in the workplace is equivalent to second guessing someone's retelling of a drunken haze of a night? It's folly to think that the same level and style of scrutiny need be applied to both. You aren't wrong to paint the alternate picture for your friend's case, but it's sidestepping the issue in question (e.g., potential harassment in the workplace) to attempt to make that equivalency here.
  - yummyfajitas 10y ago
    Yes, my point is that it's completely reasonable to second guess stories we hear. It's a normal, everyday behavior and one which gets us closer to the truth. Due to her not being drunk I give her retelling more credibility, but that doesn't mean she should be unquestioningly believed.
hobnobber21 10y ago
But that's a problem, too. You weren't there and have no way of knowing if this whole story isn't made up. What's the point and purpose of a current employee(?) at Apple running to Medium at posting such such a public article?

by pg314 10y ago

yummyfajitas 10y ago

Last time I was in Amsterdam, a friend of mine related the experience he had last night. (Details changed a bit to protect the guilty.) After being out late drinking, he was refused service at several bars for being too drunk. Then, while stumbling around in the streets in search of a bar that would serve them, this craazy biker stopped and punched him in the face completely unprovoked. Then he biked away. Finally he found a bar that would let him in, and gave him sympathy for his bleeding face. Shortly thereafter the asshole bartender kicked him out for no good reason. He's doesn't remember getting home. Now I wasn't there. But I do feel entitled to paint an alternate picture of what could have happened. After recovering from his hangover he recognized that my alternate picture of what happened was actually pretty reasonable. Was I wrong to suggest this alternate picture?

rmxt 10y ago
So... second guessing someone's retelling of a completely sober, undoubtedly career impacting scenario (one way or another) in the workplace is equivalent to second guessing someone's retelling of a drunken haze of a night? It's folly to think that the same level and style of scrutiny need be applied to both. You aren't wrong to paint the alternate picture for your friend's case, but it's sidestepping the issue in question (e.g., potential harassment in the workplace) to attempt to make that equivalency here.
- yummyfajitas 10y ago
  Yes, my point is that it's completely reasonable to second guess stories we hear. It's a normal, everyday behavior and one which gets us closer to the truth. Due to her not being drunk I give her retelling more credibility, but that doesn't mean she should be unquestioningly believed.

hobnobber21 10y ago

But that's a problem, too. You weren't there and have no way of knowing if this whole story isn't made up. What's the point and purpose of a current employee(?) at Apple running to Medium at posting such such a public article?