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> Three is not too bad. The internet was ment to be a fully decentralized system. If you think that only three players are not so bad, then I'd ask you to reco

> Three is not too bad. The internet was ment to be a fully decentralized system. If you think that only three players are not so bad, then I'd ask you to reconsider.

onion2k 10y ago
The internet was designed to be a fault-tolerant network that can automatically cope with outages by rerouting traffic around them. That's all. There's nothing to say who should own or operate the system implied in the design.
- gaius 10y ago
  Economic failure is still "a fault" if it takes systems offline with it, that other people are using. Not all faults are purely technological ones.
CalRobert 10y ago
It still drives me crazy that ISP's tell you not to run a server - the whole damn point of the internet is that it's two way. Opening port 80 and hosting a website on a raspberry pi that my buddy around the world could see may not be how the next unicorn operates, but it just feels good in principle.
- speeder 10y ago
  I am from Brazil, here ISPs do that because they aren't Cloudflare. For example many ISPs explicit write in their contracts that hosting ANY kind of IRC-related content, be it a server itself, or tools, clients, or articles about IRC, will get you banned from the ISP. I believe ISPs do that because IRC in Brazil is script-kiddie magnet, as soon some new IRC-related stuff is up, thousands (I am not kidding) of lamers will DDoS you, and some will try more serious hacks. Similarly in Brazil, hosting games is also frowned upon, usually game hosting companies are owned by major ISPs in first place, that rent their servers to people that want to create a game server, yet, hosting games is necessary too, Brazillians are so good at being assholes that they are frequently automatically banned from other countries (example: Combat Arms, irc server AfterNET, and a couple others have Brazil, or most of Brazillian IPs in their ban table.) Brazil also had the dubious distinction some years ago (I don't know if it still applies) as the leading country in producing "website defacers", so even your port 80 isn't safe. So at least here, sadly I can't complain of centralization, here it is very possible that if you put a website on your raspberri PI, it will take down the entire city internet down.

> Three is not too bad. The internet was ment to be a fully decentralized system. If you think that only three players are not so bad, then I'd ask you to reconsider.

onion2k 10y ago

The internet was designed to be a fault-tolerant network that can automatically cope with outages by rerouting traffic around them. That's all. There's nothing to say who should own or operate the system implied in the design.

gaius 10y ago
Economic failure is still "a fault" if it takes systems offline with it, that other people are using. Not all faults are purely technological ones.

CalRobert 10y ago

It still drives me crazy that ISP's tell you not to run a server - the whole damn point of the internet is that it's two way. Opening port 80 and hosting a website on a raspberry pi that my buddy around the world could see may not be how the next unicorn operates, but it just feels good in principle.

speeder 10y ago
I am from Brazil, here ISPs do that because they aren't Cloudflare. For example many ISPs explicit write in their contracts that hosting ANY kind of IRC-related content, be it a server itself, or tools, clients, or articles about IRC, will get you banned from the ISP. I believe ISPs do that because IRC in Brazil is script-kiddie magnet, as soon some new IRC-related stuff is up, thousands (I am not kidding) of lamers will DDoS you, and some will try more serious hacks. Similarly in Brazil, hosting games is also frowned upon, usually game hosting companies are owned by major ISPs in first place, that rent their servers to people that want to create a game server, yet, hosting games is necessary too, Brazillians are so good at being assholes that they are frequently automatically banned from other countries (example: Combat Arms, irc server AfterNET, and a couple others have Brazil, or most of Brazillian IPs in their ban table.) Brazil also had the dubious distinction some years ago (I don't know if it still applies) as the leading country in producing "website defacers", so even your port 80 isn't safe. So at least here, sadly I can't complain of centralization, here it is very possible that if you put a website on your raspberri PI, it will take down the entire city internet down.