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Ubuntu is container linux for me. I WANT to install stuff on my host; thank you apt. CoreOS produced etcd which is outliving the OS distribution.. Fleet was a t

by Rapzid 10y ago

Ubuntu is container linux for me. I WANT to install stuff on my host; thank you apt. CoreOS produced etcd which is outliving the OS distribution.. Fleet was a thing.. Their update system.. This pivot away from the distro makes sense.

cbsmith 10y ago
> Ubuntu is container linux for me. What?!?! I'd put OpenVZ'd RHEL a country mile ahead of Ubuntu, and there are better candidates than that (like CoreOS). What's the idea behind Ubuntu's claim to the brand? > I WANT to install stuff on my host I'm sure you do, but that means you don't want "container linux". It means you want Linux with containers.
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- pawadu 10y ago
  Maybe he wants his container to be as close as possible to his development machine?
  - ownagefool 10y ago
    Actually he just wants to install things on the host, which flys in the face of containerise all the things. YMMV but I think coreos has a good base to support the latter.
  - cbsmith 10y ago
    Easiest way to accomplish that is to run your dev inside containers... Then it's exactly the same. ;-)
    - dschep 10y ago
      I suspect many already do that. From experience, it's still easier to develop on and deploy to the same container host OS. Ie: Docker on Ubuntu for both is best. You'd be hard pressed to do development on CoreOS/Container Linux.
      - moondev 10y ago
        Why would that matter? A container is a container
colemickens 10y ago
CoreOS is still very much a thing. The update system is seamless and has never once caused a hiccup for me. And I certainly don't perceive this as a pivot away from the distro, at all. Not sure where any of your statements come from. Except the Fleet bit, maybe, but that's just because they saw something better in Kubernetes and now contribute heavily to it. And I'm curious what you want to install on your host if you're using containers. Surely you're not logging into these VMs interactively? (A bit funny too, Ubuntu's fork of docker in Xenial was causing a reboot of basically everything under systemd (including ssh) under certain conditions used in Kubernetes.)
- eikenberry 10y ago
  Where is the statement that they are moving away from fleet? There was no mention of anything related to that in the linked article.
  - colemickens 10y ago
    Sorry, I didn't mean that. My perception is that I see far less announcements about Fleet, but I don't know any official stance or anything. Didn't expect it to have as much activity as it does on GitHub, but the most frequent recent committer doesn't seem to be an employee (again, that doesn't necessarily mean anything). I was mostly agreeing that I don't see Fleet as a super popular tool these days (contrary to features they've contributed to Kubernetes or the ecosystem, etcd, coreos, flannel, etc)
    - philips 10y ago
      This is roughly correct. The README says it best: https://github.com/coreos/fleet#current-status https://github.com/coreos/fleet#current-status Also, as you mention there are very compelling reasons that when Kubernetes came on the scene 2 years ago we started contributing heavily instead of trying to compete. We started to say something with fleet and Kubernetes completed our sentence: https://github.com/coreos/fleet/blob/master/Documentation/fleet-k8s-compared.md https://github.com/coreos/fleet/blob/master/Documentation/fl... Overall, we recommend everyone use Kubernetes as the way to orchestrate containers.

by Rapzid 10y ago

cbsmith 10y ago

> Ubuntu is container linux for me. What?!?! I'd put OpenVZ'd RHEL a country mile ahead of Ubuntu, and there are better candidates than that (like CoreOS). What's the idea behind Ubuntu's claim to the brand? > I WANT to install stuff on my host I'm sure you do, but that means you don't want "container linux". It means you want Linux with containers.

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pawadu 10y ago
Maybe he wants his container to be as close as possible to his development machine?
- ownagefool 10y ago
  Actually he just wants to install things on the host, which flys in the face of containerise all the things. YMMV but I think coreos has a good base to support the latter.
- cbsmith 10y ago
  Easiest way to accomplish that is to run your dev inside containers... Then it's exactly the same. ;-)
  - dschep 10y ago
    I suspect many already do that. From experience, it's still easier to develop on and deploy to the same container host OS. Ie: Docker on Ubuntu for both is best. You'd be hard pressed to do development on CoreOS/Container Linux.
    - moondev 10y ago
      Why would that matter? A container is a container

colemickens 10y ago

CoreOS is still very much a thing. The update system is seamless and has never once caused a hiccup for me. And I certainly don't perceive this as a pivot away from the distro, at all. Not sure where any of your statements come from. Except the Fleet bit, maybe, but that's just because they saw something better in Kubernetes and now contribute heavily to it. And I'm curious what you want to install on your host if you're using containers. Surely you're not logging into these VMs interactively? (A bit funny too, Ubuntu's fork of docker in Xenial was causing a reboot of basically everything under systemd (including ssh) under certain conditions used in Kubernetes.)

eikenberry 10y ago
Where is the statement that they are moving away from fleet? There was no mention of anything related to that in the linked article.
- colemickens 10y ago
  Sorry, I didn't mean that. My perception is that I see far less announcements about Fleet, but I don't know any official stance or anything. Didn't expect it to have as much activity as it does on GitHub, but the most frequent recent committer doesn't seem to be an employee (again, that doesn't necessarily mean anything). I was mostly agreeing that I don't see Fleet as a super popular tool these days (contrary to features they've contributed to Kubernetes or the ecosystem, etcd, coreos, flannel, etc)
  - philips 10y ago
    This is roughly correct. The README says it best: https://github.com/coreos/fleet#current-status https://github.com/coreos/fleet#current-status Also, as you mention there are very compelling reasons that when Kubernetes came on the scene 2 years ago we started contributing heavily instead of trying to compete. We started to say something with fleet and Kubernetes completed our sentence: https://github.com/coreos/fleet/blob/master/Documentation/fleet-k8s-compared.md https://github.com/coreos/fleet/blob/master/Documentation/fl... Overall, we recommend everyone use Kubernetes as the way to orchestrate containers.