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I'd argue "A citizen should _never_ have to register with the government" should really be the entire statement. Things like aid and whatnot should really be i

I'd argue "A citizen should _never_ have to register with the government" should really be the entire statement. Things like aid and whatnot should really be isolated and broken off to prevent mass collection dbs.

xupybd 10y ago
Doesn't every birth have to be registered with the government?
- this-dang-guy 10y ago
  For "social security" benefits. Yes. And look how that's turned out. It's deemed proof of citizenship (and a vital document) despite being just a poor quality piece of paper. The data is misused in just about every way. From colleges using it as a student id number to people committing crimes with it.
  - jdmichal 10y ago
    If someone is using a SSN as proof of citizenship, they are blatantly wrong. SSNs can and are issued to aliens. https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf USCIS lists as common proofs of citizenship: US birth certificate, US passport, certificate of citizenship, or naturalization certificate. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/A4en.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/A4...
    - maxerickson 10y ago
      I imagine they are thinking of it being a list C document: https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents (an unrestricted SSN is proof of eligibility to work in the US)
      - this-dang-guy 10y ago
        Yes, and no less than 3 of my former jobs required a photocopy of the card itself. You can argue legal requirements, or you can shut up and be paid. Sometimes it's better to be paid than right. (Especially on your first few jobs)
- zo1 10y ago
  "select * from individual where religion = 'muslim'" You would think it's that easy as the "government knows all". But from working on government databases and systems, it's hardly the case. Disparate systems, competing departments, endless workshops that hold up progress, political spats, etc. And this isn't even in a country like the US that has separate states!
xupybd 10y ago
Doesn't every birth have to be registered with the government?
woofyman 10y ago
Not even for voting?
- dagw 10y ago
  You don't have to vote.

xupybd 10y ago

Doesn't every birth have to be registered with the government?

this-dang-guy 10y ago
For "social security" benefits. Yes. And look how that's turned out. It's deemed proof of citizenship (and a vital document) despite being just a poor quality piece of paper. The data is misused in just about every way. From colleges using it as a student id number to people committing crimes with it.
- jdmichal 10y ago
  If someone is using a SSN as proof of citizenship, they are blatantly wrong. SSNs can and are issued to aliens. https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf https://www.ssa.gov/pubs/EN-05-10096.pdf USCIS lists as common proofs of citizenship: US birth certificate, US passport, certificate of citizenship, or naturalization certificate. https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/A4en.pdf https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/USCIS/Resources/A4...
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    I imagine they are thinking of it being a list C document: https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents https://www.uscis.gov/i-9-central/acceptable-documents (an unrestricted SSN is proof of eligibility to work in the US)
    - this-dang-guy 10y ago
      Yes, and no less than 3 of my former jobs required a photocopy of the card itself. You can argue legal requirements, or you can shut up and be paid. Sometimes it's better to be paid than right. (Especially on your first few jobs)
zo1 10y ago
"select * from individual where religion = 'muslim'" You would think it's that easy as the "government knows all". But from working on government databases and systems, it's hardly the case. Disparate systems, competing departments, endless workshops that hold up progress, political spats, etc. And this isn't even in a country like the US that has separate states!

xupybd 10y ago

Doesn't every birth have to be registered with the government?

woofyman 10y ago

Not even for voting?

dagw 10y ago
You don't have to vote.