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They seem to be parallel services, like Lync and Skype. I still cannot figure out where our documents are stored... is it on the windows share? OneDrive? Share

by tomc1985 10y ago

They seem to be parallel services, like Lync and Skype. I still cannot figure out where our documents are stored... is it on the windows share? OneDrive? SharePoint? My personal Dropbox?? Outlook for Android is the biggest piece of shit to hit mobile and O365 on the web takes a huge smelly dump on linux users. I am still angry at my employer for foisting this garbage upon us, just so the nontechnical exec team can have their precious Outlook

wilde 10y ago
Do they have IMAP or ActiveSync disabled? You should be able to find compatible replacement clients.
ZenoArrow 10y ago
> "like Lync and Skype" Lync has been renamed to Skype For Business, and is very similar in terms of user experience to the standard Skype app. > "I still cannot figure out where our documents are stored... is it on the windows share? OneDrive? SharePoint? My personal Dropbox??" You can hardly blame Microsoft for the slack IT policies at your workplace.
- douche 10y ago
  Skype for Business and Skype are two completely different, just barely compatible things. They run completely different networking protocols, and the S4B client is still, barring some cosmetic skinning, the same as the Lync client from nearly four years ago. The About page in the S4B client may still be calling itself the Microsoft Lync Client - it was still doing so in the 2016 version of the client this spring... What a colossal marketing cockup
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    Very few people care about networking protocols, and SFB is explicitly a business communication tool, meaning that most of your contact will be with people who also have SFB. As for the About page of SFB, I can't comment on what it was before, but I've just checked, it now says Skype For Business 2016.
    - douche 10y ago
      I only know the details because I write software on top of some of the Lync/S4B APIs, and have to deal with customers that are completely confused why one Skype client they have for making calls works with our software, and their other Skype client with a nearly identical icon that they also use for making calls doesn't...
      - ZenoArrow 10y ago
        Which app do these users have? If they have SFB, does this not work? https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/Let-users-add-external-contacts-from-Skype-08666236-1894-42ae-8846-e49232bbc460?ui=en-US&rs=en-GB&ad=GB https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/Let-users-add-exter...
- tomc1985 10y ago
  Uh, the Mac client still says Lync, and it looks way different than Skype. "Don't blame Microsoft for slack IT policies" What? Like hell I'm not blaming them. It's not my fault they offer a bunch of shitty, complicated, barely-working, overlapping, should-be-simple services that nontechnicals can barely wrap their mind around. It's not my fault my employer hired me to work on Linux code and then has a sudden Windows come-to-Jesus moment. (I'm sure theres some stupid sales rep to thank for that...) It's not my fault that Microsoft can't write decent AJAX! If they would simply follow standards we wouldn't have this problem. But then of course Micro$oft wouldn't make as much ca$h, and we certainly cant have that now can we....
  - ZenoArrow 10y ago
    > "Like hell I'm not blaming them." So Microsoft tell the employees at your company which places to store their documents do they? Why does your company not standardise on how documents are stored? >"It's not my fault that Microsoft can't write decent AJAX" Examples?
  - larrywright 10y ago
    Then you haven't upgraded: https://products.office.com/en-us/skype-for-business/download-app?tab=tabs-3#Mac https://products.office.com/en-us/skype-for-business/downloa...
    - KirinDave 10y ago
      Not unusual. Many orgs are still lagging on Win10 as well. They have contracts with things like cough anti-virus providers of ill repute cough and they cannot upgrade because these tools don't work.
      - tomc1985 10y ago
        We're rather fond of Windows 7, because it pretty much just works. (And nobody wants to deal with upgrading) A few of the handful of Win10 laptops have been headaches. "Lagging" is an interesting choice of words...
douche 10y ago
Outlook for Android is better than any of the alternative mail clients I can get on my phone. Although that is not saying much... OWA works just fine on Chrome on Linux, I use it every day. Sharepoint sucks, but then again the whole wiki/CMS/whatever category of things that Sharepoint is a representative of is almost without exception a huge festering cesspool of villainy and suck.
- tomc1985 10y ago
  I just uninstalled Outlook for Android and my phone went from unusably-laggy to performing just like new. I had a full charge this morning and it is early afternoon and my battery was at 30%. Android's battery usage analyzer blamed 60% of that on Outlook. Opening Outlook and trying to use it meant 30+ seconds waits while I do simple things like "view the first page of my inbox" or "enter an email address into the To:" field. You're saying that all the other options are worse?? (As for OWA, I regularly encounter full-page reloads for simple actions, am frequently logged out after my first click on anything, and it is almost obnoxiously slow for the speed of internet that we have. And this is Office365... previous versions of OWA were pretty good though)

wilde 10y ago

Do they have IMAP or ActiveSync disabled? You should be able to find compatible replacement clients.

ZenoArrow 10y ago

> "like Lync and Skype" Lync has been renamed to Skype For Business, and is very similar in terms of user experience to the standard Skype app. > "I still cannot figure out where our documents are stored... is it on the windows share? OneDrive? SharePoint? My personal Dropbox??" You can hardly blame Microsoft for the slack IT policies at your workplace.

douche 10y ago
Skype for Business and Skype are two completely different, just barely compatible things. They run completely different networking protocols, and the S4B client is still, barring some cosmetic skinning, the same as the Lync client from nearly four years ago. The About page in the S4B client may still be calling itself the Microsoft Lync Client - it was still doing so in the 2016 version of the client this spring... What a colossal marketing cockup
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  Very few people care about networking protocols, and SFB is explicitly a business communication tool, meaning that most of your contact will be with people who also have SFB. As for the About page of SFB, I can't comment on what it was before, but I've just checked, it now says Skype For Business 2016.
  - douche 10y ago
    I only know the details because I write software on top of some of the Lync/S4B APIs, and have to deal with customers that are completely confused why one Skype client they have for making calls works with our software, and their other Skype client with a nearly identical icon that they also use for making calls doesn't...
    - ZenoArrow 10y ago
      Which app do these users have? If they have SFB, does this not work? https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/Let-users-add-external-contacts-from-Skype-08666236-1894-42ae-8846-e49232bbc460?ui=en-US&rs=en-GB&ad=GB https://support.office.com/en-gb/article/Let-users-add-exter...
tomc1985 10y ago
Uh, the Mac client still says Lync, and it looks way different than Skype. "Don't blame Microsoft for slack IT policies" What? Like hell I'm not blaming them. It's not my fault they offer a bunch of shitty, complicated, barely-working, overlapping, should-be-simple services that nontechnicals can barely wrap their mind around. It's not my fault my employer hired me to work on Linux code and then has a sudden Windows come-to-Jesus moment. (I'm sure theres some stupid sales rep to thank for that...) It's not my fault that Microsoft can't write decent AJAX! If they would simply follow standards we wouldn't have this problem. But then of course Micro$oft wouldn't make as much ca$h, and we certainly cant have that now can we....
- ZenoArrow 10y ago
  > "Like hell I'm not blaming them." So Microsoft tell the employees at your company which places to store their documents do they? Why does your company not standardise on how documents are stored? >"It's not my fault that Microsoft can't write decent AJAX" Examples?
- larrywright 10y ago
  Then you haven't upgraded: https://products.office.com/en-us/skype-for-business/download-app?tab=tabs-3#Mac https://products.office.com/en-us/skype-for-business/downloa...
  - KirinDave 10y ago
    Not unusual. Many orgs are still lagging on Win10 as well. They have contracts with things like cough anti-virus providers of ill repute cough and they cannot upgrade because these tools don't work.
    - tomc1985 10y ago
      We're rather fond of Windows 7, because it pretty much just works. (And nobody wants to deal with upgrading) A few of the handful of Win10 laptops have been headaches. "Lagging" is an interesting choice of words...

douche 10y ago

Outlook for Android is better than any of the alternative mail clients I can get on my phone. Although that is not saying much... OWA works just fine on Chrome on Linux, I use it every day. Sharepoint sucks, but then again the whole wiki/CMS/whatever category of things that Sharepoint is a representative of is almost without exception a huge festering cesspool of villainy and suck.

tomc1985 10y ago
I just uninstalled Outlook for Android and my phone went from unusably-laggy to performing just like new. I had a full charge this morning and it is early afternoon and my battery was at 30%. Android's battery usage analyzer blamed 60% of that on Outlook. Opening Outlook and trying to use it meant 30+ seconds waits while I do simple things like "view the first page of my inbox" or "enter an email address into the To:" field. You're saying that all the other options are worse?? (As for OWA, I regularly encounter full-page reloads for simple actions, am frequently logged out after my first click on anything, and it is almost obnoxiously slow for the speed of internet that we have. And this is Office365... previous versions of OWA were pretty good though)