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they removed it because it's inaccurate and useless. if i start rendering some huge video then the time remaining goes down drastically. so it said 90 minutes,

by debt 10y ago

they removed it because it's inaccurate and useless. if i start rendering some huge video then the time remaining goes down drastically. so it said 90 minutes, it now says 10 minutes. useless.

rbinv 10y ago
I think it is (was) a handy feature to estimate the current load/power usage. I found it to be rather accurate.
niij 10y ago
I think the time remaining reflects estimated time with current usage. I don't think having a estimate of how much longer I can browse HN before needing to plug in is useless.
erelde 10y ago
But... That's logical. It evaluates the remaining time using current ressource usage. It is "accurate". It can't predict how much time your rendering will take, it can't predict the future. But it does an accurate estimate of how much the battery will last under the current load. (imo, current load is better than trying to compute the load trend)
- debt 10y ago
  logical but still useless. if a measurement like time remaining can change at random based on load and the load can change at random based on user behavior then why show time remaining at all? if it jumps from 90 minutes to 10 minutes, what's the point of even showing it? "okay now i have 10 minutes left" it would be more accurate to say "you have 90 minutes left at your current level of cpu utilization" but i don't think that can fit in the menu help me figure it out, i don't get why a user would need this functionality ever.
  - erelde 10y ago
    Because "you have x minutes left at your current level of cpu utilization" has always been implied. If user have forgotten that, it's no reason to remove it. In fact there's rarely a reason to remove a feature if it doesn't cause issues. Taking your own exemple of video rendering, if I begin a render and After Effect (or similar) says it will take 50 minutes to render, but the remaining time says I only have 20 minutes left of battery (implying "at the current load"), I know I have to charge my laptop if I want to render the video.
zeahfj 10y ago
That sounds like the opposite of useless. You now know how long you have left based on your activity and can adjust accordingly with this new information
ebbv 10y ago
Of course. The MPG indicator in your car will change if you start flooring your accelerator. That doesn't mean you get rid of it. The reality is the new MBP w/Touchbar have worse battery life than the previous generation and people called them out on it. Instead of owning it they have chosen to remove the indicator, a useful tool for many of their users. Apple truly has lost their way.
- debt 10y ago
  actually the MPG-style indicator would be more appropriate in this case i think. they're similar but aren't they different? one shows rate and the other shows the amount of gas left? it might be accurate to change it from "time remaining" to watts per hour or something idk.

by debt 10y ago

they removed it because it's inaccurate and useless. if i start rendering some huge video then the time remaining goes down drastically. so it said 90 minutes, it now says 10 minutes. useless.

rbinv 10y ago

I think it is (was) a handy feature to estimate the current load/power usage. I found it to be rather accurate.

niij 10y ago

I think the time remaining reflects estimated time with current usage. I don't think having a estimate of how much longer I can browse HN before needing to plug in is useless.

erelde 10y ago

But... That's logical. It evaluates the remaining time using current ressource usage. It is "accurate". It can't predict how much time your rendering will take, it can't predict the future. But it does an accurate estimate of how much the battery will last under the current load. (imo, current load is better than trying to compute the load trend)

debt 10y ago
logical but still useless. if a measurement like time remaining can change at random based on load and the load can change at random based on user behavior then why show time remaining at all? if it jumps from 90 minutes to 10 minutes, what's the point of even showing it? "okay now i have 10 minutes left" it would be more accurate to say "you have 90 minutes left at your current level of cpu utilization" but i don't think that can fit in the menu help me figure it out, i don't get why a user would need this functionality ever.
- erelde 10y ago
  Because "you have x minutes left at your current level of cpu utilization" has always been implied. If user have forgotten that, it's no reason to remove it. In fact there's rarely a reason to remove a feature if it doesn't cause issues. Taking your own exemple of video rendering, if I begin a render and After Effect (or similar) says it will take 50 minutes to render, but the remaining time says I only have 20 minutes left of battery (implying "at the current load"), I know I have to charge my laptop if I want to render the video.

zeahfj 10y ago

That sounds like the opposite of useless. You now know how long you have left based on your activity and can adjust accordingly with this new information

ebbv 10y ago

Of course. The MPG indicator in your car will change if you start flooring your accelerator. That doesn't mean you get rid of it. The reality is the new MBP w/Touchbar have worse battery life than the previous generation and people called them out on it. Instead of owning it they have chosen to remove the indicator, a useful tool for many of their users. Apple truly has lost their way.

debt 10y ago
actually the MPG-style indicator would be more appropriate in this case i think. they're similar but aren't they different? one shows rate and the other shows the amount of gas left? it might be accurate to change it from "time remaining" to watts per hour or something idk.