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But I don't think libertarian is the wrong label (no worse than others). if "classical liberal" makes you think it is, maybe that is the wrong label?

by curi 19y ago

dfranke 19y ago
I think libertarian is the wrong label, and classical liberal perhaps but not necessarily the correct one, if you identify more closely with Thomas Jefferson than with Robert Nozick.
- curi 19y ago
  I don't know early American philosophers very well offhand. But wikipedia says Jefferson sympathized with the French. The dates are around the time of the French Revolution. So, my guess is I dislike him. The French Revolution was really awful and revolutions in general are bad.
  - dfranke 19y ago
    Bear in mind that the French Revolution began as something very different than what it became. Thomas Paine, arguably the most libertarian of any of the founding fathers, was one of the French Revolution's most ardent American supporters in its early days. After the revolution got hijacked by the Jacobins, Paine ended up in a French prison. If you'd like, substitute Locke for Jefferson.
    - curi 19y ago
      Thomas Paine I know about. I read his book about the French Revolution -- the reply to Burke. It's really bad stuff. He doesn't understand Burke at all, makes bad arguments carelessly, and throws in lots of insults. (I realize I'm being insulting. Besides the low quality thinking he made excuses for massive bloodshed as well as glorifying some of it. And I have detailed notes with which I could back this up.)
      - dfranke 19y ago
        Interesting. If you sympathize with Burke then I have no idea where to place you. He's pretty much universally reviled by every modern school of thought that I'm familiar with. Anyhow, we're quickly veering away from the topic and toward the right margin. We should probably take this to email. My email address is on the page linked in my profile.

But I don't think libertarian is the wrong label (no worse than others). if "classical liberal" makes you think it is, maybe that is the wrong label?

by curi 19y ago

But I don't think libertarian is the wrong label (no worse than others). if "classical liberal" makes you think it is, maybe that is the wrong label?

dfranke 19y ago

I think libertarian is the wrong label, and classical liberal perhaps but not necessarily the correct one, if you identify more closely with Thomas Jefferson than with Robert Nozick.

curi 19y ago
I don't know early American philosophers very well offhand. But wikipedia says Jefferson sympathized with the French. The dates are around the time of the French Revolution. So, my guess is I dislike him. The French Revolution was really awful and revolutions in general are bad.
- dfranke 19y ago
  Bear in mind that the French Revolution began as something very different than what it became. Thomas Paine, arguably the most libertarian of any of the founding fathers, was one of the French Revolution's most ardent American supporters in its early days. After the revolution got hijacked by the Jacobins, Paine ended up in a French prison. If you'd like, substitute Locke for Jefferson.
  - curi 19y ago
    Thomas Paine I know about. I read his book about the French Revolution -- the reply to Burke. It's really bad stuff. He doesn't understand Burke at all, makes bad arguments carelessly, and throws in lots of insults. (I realize I'm being insulting. Besides the low quality thinking he made excuses for massive bloodshed as well as glorifying some of it. And I have detailed notes with which I could back this up.)
    - dfranke 19y ago
      Interesting. If you sympathize with Burke then I have no idea where to place you. He's pretty much universally reviled by every modern school of thought that I'm familiar with. Anyhow, we're quickly veering away from the topic and toward the right margin. We should probably take this to email. My email address is on the page linked in my profile.