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> "the one in Cupertino only takes a lukewarm stance on privacy" Genuinely curious - but how so? My observation of Apple so far is that they've taken a remark

> "the one in Cupertino only takes a lukewarm stance on privacy" Genuinely curious - but how so? My observation of Apple so far is that they've taken a remarkably strong privacy stance. Not maintaining logs of iMessage, keeping nearly all personal data on-device, ensuring analytics do not leak personal data, going above and beyond to ensure their customers' devices are strongly encrypted (and exceptionally difficult to break, even for government entities)... And they've made a point of publicizing this during their keynotes, too, so much of this isn't necessarily even under-the-hood details that only us nerds know about.

matt4077 10y ago
Indeed. They stared down the FBI with engineers threatening to quit and/or go to jail rather than compromising their users' phones. That had the enormous risk of making them unpalatable to the conservative half of the nation. Compare to yahoo, where they apparently handed out data to anyone asking, and not a single person considered it m0re important than their paycheck.
- jjwiseman 10y ago
  A single person reportedly did consider it more important: "According to two of the former employees, Yahoo Chief Executive Marissa Mayer's decision to obey the directive roiled some senior executives and led to the June 2015 departure of Chief Information Security Officer Alex Stamos, who now holds the top security job at Facebook Inc." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-nsa-exclusive-idUSKCN1241YT http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-nsa-exclusive-idUSKC...
kijin 10y ago
Yes, they do talk about privacy, and I respect them for taking a stance when the FBI asked them to decrypt a phone. But talking to nerds is not enough. Apple could do so much more than that. Their marketing department could make privacy a major conversation point for ordinary people who are looking for a new phone or tablet. Like, make the Apple brand synonymous with peace of mind. Drill that into every consumer's subconsciousness. Actually hurt Google's bottom line where it hurts them the most, because they have no other business model. In an ideal world, major Android vendors such as Samsung would take notice and begin to make drastic changes to their branches of Android in order to compete with Apple in the privacy department. Leaving the Pixel as the worst choice when it comes to privacy :p

matt4077 10y ago

Indeed. They stared down the FBI with engineers threatening to quit and/or go to jail rather than compromising their users' phones. That had the enormous risk of making them unpalatable to the conservative half of the nation. Compare to yahoo, where they apparently handed out data to anyone asking, and not a single person considered it m0re important than their paycheck.

jjwiseman 10y ago
A single person reportedly did consider it more important: "According to two of the former employees, Yahoo Chief Executive Marissa Mayer's decision to obey the directive roiled some senior executives and led to the June 2015 departure of Chief Information Security Officer Alex Stamos, who now holds the top security job at Facebook Inc." http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-nsa-exclusive-idUSKCN1241YT http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-nsa-exclusive-idUSKC...

kijin 10y ago

Yes, they do talk about privacy, and I respect them for taking a stance when the FBI asked them to decrypt a phone. But talking to nerds is not enough. Apple could do so much more than that. Their marketing department could make privacy a major conversation point for ordinary people who are looking for a new phone or tablet. Like, make the Apple brand synonymous with peace of mind. Drill that into every consumer's subconsciousness. Actually hurt Google's bottom line where it hurts them the most, because they have no other business model. In an ideal world, major Android vendors such as Samsung would take notice and begin to make drastic changes to their branches of Android in order to compete with Apple in the privacy department. Leaving the Pixel as the worst choice when it comes to privacy :p