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> How does this compare to what everyone with Emacs gets? I'm gonna sound snarky, but not everyone wants to use an ancient editor. I could just as well make a

by 67726e 10y ago

> How does this compare to what everyone with Emacs gets? I'm gonna sound snarky, but not everyone wants to use an ancient editor. I could just as well make a case for vim. I use vim over emacs, but I'd choose a nice IDE over either. Beyond that, if you're well versed in the JetBrains ecosystem, it makes perfect sense to keep on using it.

d0vs 10y ago
I recently switched to vim because I grew tired of trying to remember all the shortcuts of the different IDEs. How do you guys deal with that?
- nnq 10y ago
  ...configure everything to use vim shortcuts ;) (install a vim-mode plugin for your IDE if you have to)
- StevePerkins 10y ago
  I really love Vim (or at least the Vi emulation plugin of whichever IDE or editor I'm using). But you're peddling the pretense of using Vim because you DON'T want to memorize keyboard shortcuts?!? Just stop.
  - 67726e 10y ago
    Dunno why this is being downvoted. If your issue with IDEs are keyboard short-cuts, I guarantee you'll find a vim plugin, and if your contention is shortcuts in general then I'd really love to buy you a beer and hear your thoughts on other programming matters.
- softawre 10y ago
  Learn as you go (just like you had to do with vim). And if on OSX, this can help: http://osxdaily.com/2012/05/23/see-all-keyboard-shortcuts-apps-mac-cheatsheet/ http://osxdaily.com/2012/05/23/see-all-keyboard-shortcuts-ap...
- anamoulous 10y ago
  Jetbrains products have a fairly consistent shortcut experience across all of them.
tptacek 10y ago
It's a weird definition of "ancient" that includes editors for relatively new languages that have more features for those languages than IDEs dedicated to the language, right? But I'm really just wondering how good this IDE's tooling is, comparatively.
- 67726e 10y ago
  The overall experience of using emacs is very dated. Again, for those who are not users of emacs it presents a deep burden. There is no barrier to entry in using a simple text editor, and a modern IDE brings that simplicity with additional niceties. Given a choice, I would use a simple editor with syntax highlighting over emacs.
  - stcredzero 10y ago
    The overall experience of using emacs is very dated. Again, for those who are not users of emacs it presents a deep burden. Back in the day (late 80's in my case) I started using emacs because it was faster to figure out using it as a basic editor than vi. (Built in docs.)

by 67726e 10y ago

d0vs 10y ago

I recently switched to vim because I grew tired of trying to remember all the shortcuts of the different IDEs. How do you guys deal with that?

nnq 10y ago
...configure everything to use vim shortcuts ;) (install a vim-mode plugin for your IDE if you have to)
StevePerkins 10y ago
I really love Vim (or at least the Vi emulation plugin of whichever IDE or editor I'm using). But you're peddling the pretense of using Vim because you DON'T want to memorize keyboard shortcuts?!? Just stop.
- 67726e 10y ago
  Dunno why this is being downvoted. If your issue with IDEs are keyboard short-cuts, I guarantee you'll find a vim plugin, and if your contention is shortcuts in general then I'd really love to buy you a beer and hear your thoughts on other programming matters.
softawre 10y ago
Learn as you go (just like you had to do with vim). And if on OSX, this can help: http://osxdaily.com/2012/05/23/see-all-keyboard-shortcuts-apps-mac-cheatsheet/ http://osxdaily.com/2012/05/23/see-all-keyboard-shortcuts-ap...
anamoulous 10y ago
Jetbrains products have a fairly consistent shortcut experience across all of them.

tptacek 10y ago

It's a weird definition of "ancient" that includes editors for relatively new languages that have more features for those languages than IDEs dedicated to the language, right? But I'm really just wondering how good this IDE's tooling is, comparatively.

67726e 10y ago
The overall experience of using emacs is very dated. Again, for those who are not users of emacs it presents a deep burden. There is no barrier to entry in using a simple text editor, and a modern IDE brings that simplicity with additional niceties. Given a choice, I would use a simple editor with syntax highlighting over emacs.
- stcredzero 10y ago
  The overall experience of using emacs is very dated. Again, for those who are not users of emacs it presents a deep burden. Back in the day (late 80's in my case) I started using emacs because it was faster to figure out using it as a basic editor than vi. (Built in docs.)