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You're arguing a different point. If modifying is allowed, then they cant restrict the parts by voiding the warranty. If modifying isn't allowed, then it isn'

You're arguing a different point. If modifying is allowed, then they cant restrict the parts by voiding the warranty. If modifying isn't allowed, then it isn't allowed regardless of any brand of parts.

illumin8 16y ago
In a software ecosystem, you could say new software and firmware are "parts."
- krschultz 16y ago
  Absolutely not, anyone who has actually soldered a modchip to a motherboard knows it can be an extremely damaging process. That is vastly different from replacing software. I've bricked an Xbox by screwing up the soldering back in the days of 28 wire chips, and I've bricked a Linux device I was involved in the design of by wiping the bootloader that was needed. The Xbox got thrown in the trash, by using the right set of tools we saved the device bricked by software by reflashing it. You can always fix software mistakes by going low enough. You can't always fix hardware mistakes.
  - illumin8 16y ago
    I've bricked hardware devices by flashing them with a bad ROM BIOS. I've bricked PC motherboards by having a flash fail halfway through. I've overclocked graphics cards by loading custom firmware on them, which caused permanent damage due to overheating. Software mistakes cannot always be fixed. I love modding my computers, consoles, smartphones, and various electronic devices, but I do so full well knowing that if I fuck up, it's my fault and not Apple's. Sure, an iPhone is usually recoverable, but if for some reason it isn't, I take full responsibility and don't expect Apple to provide me with another guinea pig free of charge.
    - lutorm 16y ago
      I agree with you. Of course it's not about Apple giving you a new phone if you fuck it up. It's about if something entirely unrelated to what you did fails and warranty is still denied based on the modification (ie headphone jack stops working on your jailbroken iphone).

illumin8 16y ago

In a software ecosystem, you could say new software and firmware are "parts."

krschultz 16y ago
Absolutely not, anyone who has actually soldered a modchip to a motherboard knows it can be an extremely damaging process. That is vastly different from replacing software. I've bricked an Xbox by screwing up the soldering back in the days of 28 wire chips, and I've bricked a Linux device I was involved in the design of by wiping the bootloader that was needed. The Xbox got thrown in the trash, by using the right set of tools we saved the device bricked by software by reflashing it. You can always fix software mistakes by going low enough. You can't always fix hardware mistakes.
- illumin8 16y ago
  I've bricked hardware devices by flashing them with a bad ROM BIOS. I've bricked PC motherboards by having a flash fail halfway through. I've overclocked graphics cards by loading custom firmware on them, which caused permanent damage due to overheating. Software mistakes cannot always be fixed. I love modding my computers, consoles, smartphones, and various electronic devices, but I do so full well knowing that if I fuck up, it's my fault and not Apple's. Sure, an iPhone is usually recoverable, but if for some reason it isn't, I take full responsibility and don't expect Apple to provide me with another guinea pig free of charge.
  - lutorm 16y ago
    I agree with you. Of course it's not about Apple giving you a new phone if you fuck it up. It's about if something entirely unrelated to what you did fails and warranty is still denied based on the modification (ie headphone jack stops working on your jailbroken iphone).