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but thats the strawman. "This is too limited because it doesnt help people taking the camera" when the whole problem has nothing to do with taking the camera

by mSparks 10y ago

but thats the strawman. "This is too limited because it doesnt help people taking the camera" when the whole problem has nothing to do with taking the camera and everything to do with what happens afterwards. the equivelent to "there is no point in encrypting your banking transactions because it wont stop someone stealing your wallet on the street" -> typical strawman.

lb1lf 10y ago
-I'd respectfully suggest that your idea of a strawman differs from mine. A strawman would be me saying something like "This is a good idea, but it is obvious it needs quantum cryptography to succeed, and as we all know, that is hardly commercially available in a form factor you could incorporate in a digital camera, hence the idea will never fly." (Yes, this is taken almost ad absurdum - but, hey, this is the Internet, after all. :)) Me arguing that this is a good idea which could be even better at no disadvantage to Poitras et al and for negligible extra development, however, is hardly a strawman. Then again, I may be misunderstanding you altogether; English is my third language and I am struggling to understand what you mean when you suggest that I (paraphrased) say "This is too limited because it doesn't help people taking the camera" Even Poitras' suggestion is intended to help once someone has taken the camera; you do not need encryption or anything per se as long as the camera is in your possession. (Assuming it is offline!) - It is when someone - be it the US Govt, a competitor, your friendly neighbourhood grunt, some guerilla in a disagreeable part of the world has taken it that limiting access to the images/footage is necessary.
- mSparks 10y ago
  ->This is a good idea, but it is obvious it needs quantum cryptography to succeed not a million miles from ->I think you'd still only have a solution which is workable against a very limited set of adversaries - namely, the ones who play by the rules, more or less. which is exactly why i said "a bit strawman" perhaps where we differ is you think encryption only keeps information safe from those who play by the rules?
  - lb1lf 10y ago
    > perhaps where we differ is you think encryption only keeps information safe from those who play by the rules? -No, that is not what I think and neither is it what I've been trying to bring across. Let's just put it on the account of poor communication skills (at either end).

by mSparks 10y ago

lb1lf 10y ago

-I'd respectfully suggest that your idea of a strawman differs from mine. A strawman would be me saying something like "This is a good idea, but it is obvious it needs quantum cryptography to succeed, and as we all know, that is hardly commercially available in a form factor you could incorporate in a digital camera, hence the idea will never fly." (Yes, this is taken almost ad absurdum - but, hey, this is the Internet, after all. :)) Me arguing that this is a good idea which could be even better at no disadvantage to Poitras et al and for negligible extra development, however, is hardly a strawman. Then again, I may be misunderstanding you altogether; English is my third language and I am struggling to understand what you mean when you suggest that I (paraphrased) say "This is too limited because it doesn't help people taking the camera" Even Poitras' suggestion is intended to help once someone has taken the camera; you do not need encryption or anything per se as long as the camera is in your possession. (Assuming it is offline!) - It is when someone - be it the US Govt, a competitor, your friendly neighbourhood grunt, some guerilla in a disagreeable part of the world has taken it that limiting access to the images/footage is necessary.

mSparks 10y ago
->This is a good idea, but it is obvious it needs quantum cryptography to succeed not a million miles from ->I think you'd still only have a solution which is workable against a very limited set of adversaries - namely, the ones who play by the rules, more or less. which is exactly why i said "a bit strawman" perhaps where we differ is you think encryption only keeps information safe from those who play by the rules?
- lb1lf 10y ago
  > perhaps where we differ is you think encryption only keeps information safe from those who play by the rules? -No, that is not what I think and neither is it what I've been trying to bring across. Let's just put it on the account of poor communication skills (at either end).