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Ouch: Win XP still slightly above 10%! https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardware-report/#goto-os-and-architecture https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardwa

Ouch: Win XP still slightly above 10%! https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardware-report/#goto-os-and-architecture https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardware-report/#goto-os...

toni 10y ago
Yet, Mozilla is going to end Firefox mainline support for Win XP in about 4 months[1]. [1] http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/27/firefox-53-no-support-for-windows-xp-or-vista/ http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/27/firefox-53-no-support-for-w...
- rebelwebmaster 10y ago
  FWIW, XP will still be supported on ESR52 for another year or so afterwards.
  - toni 10y ago
    Hence mentioning "mainline suppprt"
bad_user 10y ago
Of course it is. It was a good OS and when offering the Windows 10 upgrade, Microsoft forgot about Vista and XP users. So without a (free) upgrade path, I'm pretty sure Windows XP will linger on for quite some time. And even with a free upgrade, I'm not sure those users will want it, because most users are conservative.
- amlib 10y ago
  Or these users are still rocking a single core cpu with piss poor gpus that just perform terrible on any new OS, even a modern linux distro. My sister still insists on using a laptop like this, so winxp it is...
  - onli 10y ago
    Get a lightweight linuxdistro (which means: No Gnome, no KDE, maybe not even XFCE) on it and the laptop will run a lot better.
    - amlib 10y ago
      It's not that simple for old machines. How about playing a video? Any new video player uses a 3D API for displaying/blitting. Guess what? This kind of machine has terrible OGL/DX performance and can barely play even the simplest of .avi. Winxp and it's typical software still has support for overlay video and whatever crap was used back then, so video performance is acceptable for non HD stuff. What about Office? Wine is doable for older Office versions, but the performance hit is a lot more apparent on such pentium 4 era single core machine. I've also found that lightweight distros are not enough in the cpu department. Their ram usage is great, you can easily find something that uses only 100MB after logon, which might be even less than winxp, but since it's all based on modern software you will quickly find out that even the simplest of tasks, like navigating with the file browser is a lot laggyer and more cpu intensive than that software for winxp that was designed for pentium 4 era cpus... Sure you could go deeper with more barebones distros and/or only use the terminal, but then that machine is nearly useless for a common user, and may require a lot of setup and tweaking.
      - onli 10y ago
        I think it is possible to do a mix. For example, there are several file-managers that are not heavy, I expect Thunar to work well on older machines, pcmanfm as well. For Office one could use something smaller like Abiword, though I never tested whether the performance of Libre Office is worse than Microsoft Office. My experience with such older machines is really that when using a good software selection, it was a lot faster and more comfortable than Windows XP. However, you might be right about video. I have an Thinkpad R50 here and I was indeed not able to get gpu support for video playback from its Radeon 7500, with the cpu being too weak to handle even SD-videos. I was not aware that was a general problem XP solves better (this specific machine I never used with Windows) :/
  - 10y ago
hpaavola 10y ago
Are there any other good browsers for XP than Firefox? I think no, but I'm not sure. That would explain such high numbers.
- angry-hacker 10y ago
  Chrome stopped the support, Edge is not even available on 7, so not much left.
  - at-fates-hands 10y ago
    >> Edge is not even available on 7 Was there any explanation on why this is? It's one of the reasons I upgraded to 10, but wasn't very happy about it.
    - bad_user 10y ago
      If you're asking about Edge, Microsoft is in the business of selling Windows, with Edge being one of the bones thrown to get users to upgrade, so not much incentive there.
    - deleted 10y ago
      [deleted]
    - angry-hacker 10y ago
      The public answer from MS is I believe because it's incompatible with Windows 7 since it's built on Universal App platform.
- toni 10y ago
  SlimJet[1][2] (formerly known as SlimBoat) is based on Chromium and still supports Win XP SP3. They added a lot of Firefox-like features like sidebar, customizable toolbar buttons, and download manager. It also supports Chrome extensions. (No affiliation with them, I just use it to test my sites on XP machines) [1] http://www.slimjet.com http://www.slimjet.com [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwIPqtyl_mM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwIPqtyl_mM
- 10y ago
amq 10y ago
For global stats, it's not that bad.

Ouch: Win XP still slightly above 10%! https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardware-report/#goto-os-and-architecture https://metrics.mozilla.com/firefox-hardware-report/#goto-os...

toni 10y ago

Yet, Mozilla is going to end Firefox mainline support for Win XP in about 4 months[1]. [1] http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/27/firefox-53-no-support-for-windows-xp-or-vista/ http://www.ghacks.net/2016/09/27/firefox-53-no-support-for-w...

rebelwebmaster 10y ago
FWIW, XP will still be supported on ESR52 for another year or so afterwards.
- toni 10y ago
  Hence mentioning "mainline suppprt"

bad_user 10y ago

Of course it is. It was a good OS and when offering the Windows 10 upgrade, Microsoft forgot about Vista and XP users. So without a (free) upgrade path, I'm pretty sure Windows XP will linger on for quite some time. And even with a free upgrade, I'm not sure those users will want it, because most users are conservative.

amlib 10y ago
Or these users are still rocking a single core cpu with piss poor gpus that just perform terrible on any new OS, even a modern linux distro. My sister still insists on using a laptop like this, so winxp it is...
- onli 10y ago
  Get a lightweight linuxdistro (which means: No Gnome, no KDE, maybe not even XFCE) on it and the laptop will run a lot better.
  - amlib 10y ago
    It's not that simple for old machines. How about playing a video? Any new video player uses a 3D API for displaying/blitting. Guess what? This kind of machine has terrible OGL/DX performance and can barely play even the simplest of .avi. Winxp and it's typical software still has support for overlay video and whatever crap was used back then, so video performance is acceptable for non HD stuff. What about Office? Wine is doable for older Office versions, but the performance hit is a lot more apparent on such pentium 4 era single core machine. I've also found that lightweight distros are not enough in the cpu department. Their ram usage is great, you can easily find something that uses only 100MB after logon, which might be even less than winxp, but since it's all based on modern software you will quickly find out that even the simplest of tasks, like navigating with the file browser is a lot laggyer and more cpu intensive than that software for winxp that was designed for pentium 4 era cpus... Sure you could go deeper with more barebones distros and/or only use the terminal, but then that machine is nearly useless for a common user, and may require a lot of setup and tweaking.
    - onli 10y ago
      I think it is possible to do a mix. For example, there are several file-managers that are not heavy, I expect Thunar to work well on older machines, pcmanfm as well. For Office one could use something smaller like Abiword, though I never tested whether the performance of Libre Office is worse than Microsoft Office. My experience with such older machines is really that when using a good software selection, it was a lot faster and more comfortable than Windows XP. However, you might be right about video. I have an Thinkpad R50 here and I was indeed not able to get gpu support for video playback from its Radeon 7500, with the cpu being too weak to handle even SD-videos. I was not aware that was a general problem XP solves better (this specific machine I never used with Windows) :/
- 10y ago

hpaavola 10y ago

Are there any other good browsers for XP than Firefox? I think no, but I'm not sure. That would explain such high numbers.

angry-hacker 10y ago
Chrome stopped the support, Edge is not even available on 7, so not much left.
- at-fates-hands 10y ago
  >> Edge is not even available on 7 Was there any explanation on why this is? It's one of the reasons I upgraded to 10, but wasn't very happy about it.
  - bad_user 10y ago
    If you're asking about Edge, Microsoft is in the business of selling Windows, with Edge being one of the bones thrown to get users to upgrade, so not much incentive there.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
  - angry-hacker 10y ago
    The public answer from MS is I believe because it's incompatible with Windows 7 since it's built on Universal App platform.
toni 10y ago
SlimJet[1][2] (formerly known as SlimBoat) is based on Chromium and still supports Win XP SP3. They added a lot of Firefox-like features like sidebar, customizable toolbar buttons, and download manager. It also supports Chrome extensions. (No affiliation with them, I just use it to test my sites on XP machines) [1] http://www.slimjet.com http://www.slimjet.com [2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwIPqtyl_mM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jwIPqtyl_mM
10y ago

amq 10y ago

For global stats, it's not that bad.