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Dedicated Server Price Increase

64 points by tachion 10y ago

msl09 10y ago
I thought ovh was French
- COil 10y ago
  Indeed, but they are implemented worldwide: https://www.ovh.com/us/about-us/network.xml https://www.ovh.com/us/about-us/network.xml
- lultimouomo 10y ago
  That's why they're jacking up prices in the UK (only); otherwise for the same amount of pounds the customer pays they would get less euros.
COil 10y ago
Fair enough.
joelthelion 10y ago
Only for the UK apparently?
- kbody 10y ago
  Well it's due to the GBP devaluation after the referendum, so it makes sense.
- teh_klev 10y ago
  Yep...all thanks to Brexit: the UK decided to leave the European Union which caused the UK economy to rock and weakened the British pound against the Euro/Dollar. This impacted many businesses across the UK and in OVH’s case it triggered a price increase from our suppliers which we have absorbed over the past few months.
  - mike-cardwell 10y ago
    I'm sure they will lower their prices again if the pound recovers some of its recently lost value. cough
    - kalleboo 10y ago
      They will if there is competition...
tobltobs 10y ago
Maybe this price increase is related to the decline of the pound or it is to offset the increased costs caused by the Snooper's Charter. Because I can't remember that there was a price increase after the 2008 Pound crash and compared to the Euro the Pound is where it was around 2011 before it started to rise against the Euro.
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Prices tend to be pegged to the dollar not the Euro even tho OVH is a French company.
IdontRememberIt 10y ago
As a Swiss, we are used to these moves (due the Swiss Franc). Often, companies are taking these external events to increase their prices (or fire people). Oddly when it is at the customer advantage, the prices never follow the curve down...
- airza 10y ago
  hasn't there been a brutal multi-year price war between the large cloud vendors in favor of the customer?
  - ensignavenger 10y ago
    I don't know that it has been so brutal, by every account I have heard, successful cloud service providers are still extremely profitable.
  - vidarh 10y ago
    If it had been brutal, they wouldn't still be so ridiculously expensive compared to dedicated. They do what I wish I had done in my first startup: Realise that when your margins are massive and your main competition aren't dropping prices drastically, you don't rock the boat. You'll take your turn and drop your price a bit, and then let them take their turn and drop the price a bit, and you keep playing that game or as long as you can get away with it. (instead we went straight for the throat of our competition with much lower prices - two days later they decided to us the war-chest they'd built up over years to undercut us; nobody made any money in our market for the next several years) If they were fighting a price war, Amazon, Google and Microsoft would have issued multiple profit warnings over it. What they're doing is taking turns buying PR while trying hard not to trigger a price war.
fermigier 10y ago
Title should be "Dedicated Server Price Increase in the UK".
- herbst 10y ago
  Yes, that was really confusing at first. I have a german server with a french company (OVH) took me a while to realize that this has nothing to do with my server based on that the text does not mention anything about it.
dx034 10y ago
That's no real increase and just fair. At the moment servers in the UK were cheap compared to paying in Eur (if you can pay in both). Although I don't really understand why they price in £ anyway. They could just base it on € and convert the other currencies every month. With the current weak € this would be nice for nearly everyone else.
- user5994461 10y ago
  For the comparison, AWS bills everything in dollar.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    AWS can now bill you in one of twelve currencies. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-set-preferred-payment-currency-for-your-aws-account/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-set-preferred-payment-c...
    - user5994461 10y ago
      Sorry, I should clarify. AWS accounts for everything in dollars, and at the top of the monthly payslip there will be (only) one big number in your selected currency (which is just the total dollar amount at that day's exchange rate).
aantix 10y ago
On an unrelated note, why on earth doesn't OVH have reoccurring billing. Every month I have to click on their email link and make sure that my server billing gets processed? It's so strange...
- chrisper 10y ago
  Maybe to encourage people to buy more months at once?
- dqv 10y ago
  They probably do it to reduce risk from chargeback fraud. Recurring payments run the risk of reversing multiple payments over a range. If someone files a chargeback dispute, OVH can dispute it by saying the customer authorized each charge.
  - rconti 10y ago
    Makes sense. I also had recurring bills that kept getting paid for 4-5 months after my credit card number was stolen and I got a new number+card for the same account. It was so odd.
    - dqv 10y ago
      It's a feature! IIRC, if a business has a certain volume, they can make an agreement with certain card companies to have the subscription "forward" to the new card.
  - dangerboysteve 10y ago
    if amazon, atlantic and DO can so this they can as well.
    - reitoei 10y ago
      They can probably absorb more fraud.
      - 10y ago
blibble 10y ago
something doesn't add up here... today the euro is at a 10 year low against the dollar, and the pound against the euro is roughly the same as it was in 2013
no_wizard 10y ago
I gotta ask, because this looks like such a great deal on their website for a VPS...anyone use them? They're the only VPS i've seen that doesn't charge at all for bandwidth according to this its unliminted bandwidth https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-cloud.xml https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-cloud.xml Are they any good? I was thinking of picking this up here in North America, since they got data centers in Canada (should be good enough for my purposes) Edit: For clarity, my wife makes homemade dream catchers and soy candles, so I was hoping to migrate her away from Etsy to a custom rolled store, and I was thinking of hosting it on a VPS since shared hosting seems so...sketchy.
- ben_pr 10y ago
  I used to use OVH and most of the time their stuff works but when it doesn't there is very little chance of their tech support figuring out what the problem is and fixing it. They basically deny anything is on their side and you really have to move to a different VPS/Dedicated server or whatever instead of the issue actually being resolved. I use a dedicated server from a place in FL now that is a small shop but I get a real person(with a brain) when something goes wrong and they actually take me seriously and fix their stuff.
  - no_wizard 10y ago
    Fundamentally, if you use their backup service as well for critical services is that at least reliable? Rackspace was.....lackluster.
- j_s 10y ago
  You missed your chance to spam the link to the store, it's Christmas time! Also looking at your profile, be aware that email address is not shown unless you put it in the 'about' section yourself.
  - no_wizard 10y ago
    Got it, didn't realize that, fixed! Thank you. I sure did ha! Her esty store does very well for what its worth, its getting to the point where its actually going to be worth taking the time to take it to the next level. I'll see if anyone else has more comments on using this service, do some research, and go from there. What I really need to do at this point is just link the owned domain of her shop to her etsy page as a stop gap for ease of use. I'm gonan down that now....:)
Kephael 10y ago
It does seem this was done to bring GBP/USD pricing back to parity with EUR/USD and is only an issue if you resided in the UK and need to spend GBP. The SP-32 server was 48.99 GBP which is 60.65 USD via ovh.co.uk while the same server could be ordered for 69.99 EUR or 72.57 USD via ovh.ie.

64 points by tachion 10y ago

msl09 10y ago

I thought ovh was French

COil 10y ago
Indeed, but they are implemented worldwide: https://www.ovh.com/us/about-us/network.xml https://www.ovh.com/us/about-us/network.xml
lultimouomo 10y ago
That's why they're jacking up prices in the UK (only); otherwise for the same amount of pounds the customer pays they would get less euros.

COil 10y ago

Fair enough.

joelthelion 10y ago

Only for the UK apparently?

kbody 10y ago
Well it's due to the GBP devaluation after the referendum, so it makes sense.
teh_klev 10y ago
Yep...all thanks to Brexit: the UK decided to leave the European Union which caused the UK economy to rock and weakened the British pound against the Euro/Dollar. This impacted many businesses across the UK and in OVH’s case it triggered a price increase from our suppliers which we have absorbed over the past few months.
- mike-cardwell 10y ago
  I'm sure they will lower their prices again if the pound recovers some of its recently lost value. cough
  - kalleboo 10y ago
    They will if there is competition...

tobltobs 10y ago

Maybe this price increase is related to the decline of the pound or it is to offset the increased costs caused by the Snooper's Charter. Because I can't remember that there was a price increase after the 2008 Pound crash and compared to the Euro the Pound is where it was around 2011 before it started to rise against the Euro.

dogma1138 10y ago
Prices tend to be pegged to the dollar not the Euro even tho OVH is a French company.

IdontRememberIt 10y ago

As a Swiss, we are used to these moves (due the Swiss Franc). Often, companies are taking these external events to increase their prices (or fire people). Oddly when it is at the customer advantage, the prices never follow the curve down...

airza 10y ago
hasn't there been a brutal multi-year price war between the large cloud vendors in favor of the customer?
- ensignavenger 10y ago
  I don't know that it has been so brutal, by every account I have heard, successful cloud service providers are still extremely profitable.
- vidarh 10y ago
  If it had been brutal, they wouldn't still be so ridiculously expensive compared to dedicated. They do what I wish I had done in my first startup: Realise that when your margins are massive and your main competition aren't dropping prices drastically, you don't rock the boat. You'll take your turn and drop your price a bit, and then let them take their turn and drop the price a bit, and you keep playing that game or as long as you can get away with it. (instead we went straight for the throat of our competition with much lower prices - two days later they decided to us the war-chest they'd built up over years to undercut us; nobody made any money in our market for the next several years) If they were fighting a price war, Amazon, Google and Microsoft would have issued multiple profit warnings over it. What they're doing is taking turns buying PR while trying hard not to trigger a price war.

fermigier 10y ago

Title should be "Dedicated Server Price Increase in the UK".

herbst 10y ago
Yes, that was really confusing at first. I have a german server with a french company (OVH) took me a while to realize that this has nothing to do with my server based on that the text does not mention anything about it.

dx034 10y ago

That's no real increase and just fair. At the moment servers in the UK were cheap compared to paying in Eur (if you can pay in both). Although I don't really understand why they price in £ anyway. They could just base it on € and convert the other currencies every month. With the current weak € this would be nice for nearly everyone else.

user5994461 10y ago
For the comparison, AWS bills everything in dollar.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  AWS can now bill you in one of twelve currencies. https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-set-preferred-payment-currency-for-your-aws-account/ https://aws.amazon.com/blogs/aws/new-set-preferred-payment-c...
  - user5994461 10y ago
    Sorry, I should clarify. AWS accounts for everything in dollars, and at the top of the monthly payslip there will be (only) one big number in your selected currency (which is just the total dollar amount at that day's exchange rate).

aantix 10y ago

On an unrelated note, why on earth doesn't OVH have reoccurring billing. Every month I have to click on their email link and make sure that my server billing gets processed? It's so strange...

chrisper 10y ago
Maybe to encourage people to buy more months at once?
dqv 10y ago
They probably do it to reduce risk from chargeback fraud. Recurring payments run the risk of reversing multiple payments over a range. If someone files a chargeback dispute, OVH can dispute it by saying the customer authorized each charge.
- rconti 10y ago
  Makes sense. I also had recurring bills that kept getting paid for 4-5 months after my credit card number was stolen and I got a new number+card for the same account. It was so odd.
  - dqv 10y ago
    It's a feature! IIRC, if a business has a certain volume, they can make an agreement with certain card companies to have the subscription "forward" to the new card.
- dangerboysteve 10y ago
  if amazon, atlantic and DO can so this they can as well.
  - reitoei 10y ago
    They can probably absorb more fraud.
    - 10y ago

blibble 10y ago

something doesn't add up here... today the euro is at a 10 year low against the dollar, and the pound against the euro is roughly the same as it was in 2013

no_wizard 10y ago

I gotta ask, because this looks like such a great deal on their website for a VPS...anyone use them? They're the only VPS i've seen that doesn't charge at all for bandwidth according to this its unliminted bandwidth https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-cloud.xml https://www.ovh.com/us/vps/vps-cloud.xml Are they any good? I was thinking of picking this up here in North America, since they got data centers in Canada (should be good enough for my purposes) Edit: For clarity, my wife makes homemade dream catchers and soy candles, so I was hoping to migrate her away from Etsy to a custom rolled store, and I was thinking of hosting it on a VPS since shared hosting seems so...sketchy.

ben_pr 10y ago
I used to use OVH and most of the time their stuff works but when it doesn't there is very little chance of their tech support figuring out what the problem is and fixing it. They basically deny anything is on their side and you really have to move to a different VPS/Dedicated server or whatever instead of the issue actually being resolved. I use a dedicated server from a place in FL now that is a small shop but I get a real person(with a brain) when something goes wrong and they actually take me seriously and fix their stuff.
- no_wizard 10y ago
  Fundamentally, if you use their backup service as well for critical services is that at least reliable? Rackspace was.....lackluster.
j_s 10y ago
You missed your chance to spam the link to the store, it's Christmas time! Also looking at your profile, be aware that email address is not shown unless you put it in the 'about' section yourself.
- no_wizard 10y ago
  Got it, didn't realize that, fixed! Thank you. I sure did ha! Her esty store does very well for what its worth, its getting to the point where its actually going to be worth taking the time to take it to the next level. I'll see if anyone else has more comments on using this service, do some research, and go from there. What I really need to do at this point is just link the owned domain of her shop to her etsy page as a stop gap for ease of use. I'm gonan down that now....:)

Kephael 10y ago

It does seem this was done to bring GBP/USD pricing back to parity with EUR/USD and is only an issue if you resided in the UK and need to spend GBP. The SP-32 server was 48.99 GBP which is 60.65 USD via ovh.co.uk while the same server could be ordered for 69.99 EUR or 72.57 USD via ovh.ie.