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Pretty sure there have been studies positively correlating running a certain amount with dying younger. I can't imagine sucking in city pollution can be that he

Pretty sure there have been studies positively correlating running a certain amount with dying younger. I can't imagine sucking in city pollution can be that healthy either. Anecdotally, it helps my anxiety.

AJ007 10y ago
There is a tendency, from what I've observed, to use running as a way to have a really bad diet and still stay thin. There is a lot of pressure for people in their 20s and 30s who live in urban areas to both look fit and drink heavily. Not a good recipe for long term health.
- projektir 10y ago
  Running is not great for losing weight, so I'm having doubts about this one...
  - echelon 10y ago
    It's been pretty effective for me. What are better ways of losing weight?
    - sanswork 10y ago
      Restricting calorie intake.
    - hueving 10y ago
      It takes hours of running to offset a couple of beers worth of calories. If you're eating unhealthy and drinking a lot, there is no amount of running to undo it.
      - dajohnson89 10y ago
        A beer is, say, 150 calories. A mile of running burns about 100 calories. When I ran, cruising speed was 7 minutes per mile. So a light 6 mile (10k) run would be about 45 minutes, 600 calories, or 6 miles.
        tempestn 10y ago
        And that doesn't even take into account the increased metabolism after the run is finished, nor the increased resting burn rate (over time) due to increased muscle mass.
        dajohnson89 10y ago
        Very true. Again this is anecdata, but when I ran my metabolism was insanely high. Runners are notorious for basically being pigs. One of the marathons I ran had a "carbo-loading" event. Basically huge vats of spaghetti were cooked, and runners would absolutely gorge. It's totally unnecessary, IMHO. It's good to eat enough and cleanly before a big run, but stuffing yourself just weighs you down. And come mile 20 or so, you're not going to be worried about how much energy you have to burn, but rather how much everything hurts.
        hueving 10y ago
        I wouldn't call 150 calories of beer heavy drinking. A pint of something like Guinness is a little over 200 calories. "SAMHSA defines heavy drinking as drinking 5 or more drinks on the same occasion" So you're right that heavy drinking of beer could be undone with running, but it's going to take a 10-11 mile run every day.
        notacoward 10y ago
        Why can't you just admit you were wrong? You said no amount without specifying how much eating/drinking you were talking about. That's a pretty absolute statement, refuted by the facts others have provided.
        ashark 10y ago
        > If you're eating unhealthy and drinking a lot, there is no amount of running to undo it. Emphasis mine.
        hueving 10y ago
        I said "drinking a lot", someone refuting with evidence of running of a single light beer hardly refutes anything. There is little to gain by behaving like a smug asshole in comments. What could you possibly expect as a response to your comment that would make for good conversation.
      - monkmartinez 10y ago
        This is not true. "A study done by researchers at Syracuse found that men burned about 105 kilocalories/mile on average running a mile in 9 minutes and 30 seconds, and about 52 calories when walking the same mile in 19 minutes." [1] [1]http://running.competitor.com/2015/03/training/many-calories-running-burn_123951 http://running.competitor.com/2015/03/training/many-calories...
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  - naasking 10y ago
    > Running is not great for losing weight Since when? I'd like a citation on that.
    - brianwawok 10y ago
      As a sometimes fat runner, I cite myself. Weight is won or lost in the kitchen. Full stop. A 1 hour run might burn 500 calories. If you go and eat till you are not hungry, you can easily eat 800 or 900 calories. You are not going to lose much weight at the method.
      - njs12345 10y ago
        A 1 hour run for me burns 1000+ calories: https://www.strava.com/activities/800853045 https://www.strava.com/activities/800853045 Of course it's possible to eat 1000 calories' worth of food in one sitting, especially if you're eating something with tons of carbs in. But if you keep your diet roughly the same and go on a 1 hour run three times a week, you'll definitely start losing weight..
        revelation 10y ago
        You are not burning 1200 calories in a hour run at 10min/mile. At an average 25% efficiency that is the equivalent of producing 350W on an ergo for a whole hour, which is well beyond the genetic ability of the vast majority of the population. (The idea that sport can't help you lose weight is still ridiculous of course, even if you are only burning 600 calories per hour. Bad habits make you overweight and establishing good habits (like exercise) is the key to get out of that.)
        azemetre 10y ago
        May I ask how you came to this calculation? I have a relative in my family that regularly touts they are burning 3,000 calories on an elliptical for an hours worth of use. It'd be nice to have an outlandish comparison to put towards their claim.
mannykannot 10y ago
Running has served me as an early warning of health problems.
monkmartinez 10y ago
Well, where are the studies? While we are talking about dying; Personally, I would rather die young than die in a "home" shitting myself unable to remember who I am. I see this more than I care to and it is horrible.
notacoward 10y ago
I'll try to clarify. According to the studies I've seen, mortality is decreased for all runners compared to non-runners. However, the greatest benefit was for people who ran a moderate amount. People who ran a lot regressed somewhat vs. the moderate runners, but still not to the level of the non-running population. There are also some serious methodological questions about the studies involved. The best analysis I've seen is here: http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/will-running-too-much-kill-you http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/will-running-too-m... So no, there's no solid evidence that any amount of running is harmful. Maybe if someone did a study in a place where pollution was extra bad (e.g. Beijing) they would find such an effect, but I'm not aware of any such efforts.

AJ007 10y ago

There is a tendency, from what I've observed, to use running as a way to have a really bad diet and still stay thin. There is a lot of pressure for people in their 20s and 30s who live in urban areas to both look fit and drink heavily. Not a good recipe for long term health.

projektir 10y ago
Running is not great for losing weight, so I'm having doubts about this one...
- echelon 10y ago
  It's been pretty effective for me. What are better ways of losing weight?
  - sanswork 10y ago
    Restricting calorie intake.
  - hueving 10y ago
    It takes hours of running to offset a couple of beers worth of calories. If you're eating unhealthy and drinking a lot, there is no amount of running to undo it.
    - dajohnson89 10y ago
      A beer is, say, 150 calories. A mile of running burns about 100 calories. When I ran, cruising speed was 7 minutes per mile. So a light 6 mile (10k) run would be about 45 minutes, 600 calories, or 6 miles.
      - tempestn 10y ago
        And that doesn't even take into account the increased metabolism after the run is finished, nor the increased resting burn rate (over time) due to increased muscle mass.
        dajohnson89 10y ago
        Very true. Again this is anecdata, but when I ran my metabolism was insanely high. Runners are notorious for basically being pigs. One of the marathons I ran had a "carbo-loading" event. Basically huge vats of spaghetti were cooked, and runners would absolutely gorge. It's totally unnecessary, IMHO. It's good to eat enough and cleanly before a big run, but stuffing yourself just weighs you down. And come mile 20 or so, you're not going to be worried about how much energy you have to burn, but rather how much everything hurts.
      - hueving 10y ago
        I wouldn't call 150 calories of beer heavy drinking. A pint of something like Guinness is a little over 200 calories. "SAMHSA defines heavy drinking as drinking 5 or more drinks on the same occasion" So you're right that heavy drinking of beer could be undone with running, but it's going to take a 10-11 mile run every day.
        notacoward 10y ago
        Why can't you just admit you were wrong? You said no amount without specifying how much eating/drinking you were talking about. That's a pretty absolute statement, refuted by the facts others have provided.
        ashark 10y ago
        > If you're eating unhealthy and drinking a lot, there is no amount of running to undo it. Emphasis mine.
        hueving 10y ago
        I said "drinking a lot", someone refuting with evidence of running of a single light beer hardly refutes anything. There is little to gain by behaving like a smug asshole in comments. What could you possibly expect as a response to your comment that would make for good conversation.
    - monkmartinez 10y ago
      This is not true. "A study done by researchers at Syracuse found that men burned about 105 kilocalories/mile on average running a mile in 9 minutes and 30 seconds, and about 52 calories when walking the same mile in 19 minutes." [1] [1]http://running.competitor.com/2015/03/training/many-calories-running-burn_123951 http://running.competitor.com/2015/03/training/many-calories...
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- naasking 10y ago
  > Running is not great for losing weight Since when? I'd like a citation on that.
  - brianwawok 10y ago
    As a sometimes fat runner, I cite myself. Weight is won or lost in the kitchen. Full stop. A 1 hour run might burn 500 calories. If you go and eat till you are not hungry, you can easily eat 800 or 900 calories. You are not going to lose much weight at the method.
    - njs12345 10y ago
      A 1 hour run for me burns 1000+ calories: https://www.strava.com/activities/800853045 https://www.strava.com/activities/800853045 Of course it's possible to eat 1000 calories' worth of food in one sitting, especially if you're eating something with tons of carbs in. But if you keep your diet roughly the same and go on a 1 hour run three times a week, you'll definitely start losing weight..
      - revelation 10y ago
        You are not burning 1200 calories in a hour run at 10min/mile. At an average 25% efficiency that is the equivalent of producing 350W on an ergo for a whole hour, which is well beyond the genetic ability of the vast majority of the population. (The idea that sport can't help you lose weight is still ridiculous of course, even if you are only burning 600 calories per hour. Bad habits make you overweight and establishing good habits (like exercise) is the key to get out of that.)
        azemetre 10y ago
        May I ask how you came to this calculation? I have a relative in my family that regularly touts they are burning 3,000 calories on an elliptical for an hours worth of use. It'd be nice to have an outlandish comparison to put towards their claim.

mannykannot 10y ago

Running has served me as an early warning of health problems.

monkmartinez 10y ago

Well, where are the studies? While we are talking about dying; Personally, I would rather die young than die in a "home" shitting myself unable to remember who I am. I see this more than I care to and it is horrible.

notacoward 10y ago

I'll try to clarify. According to the studies I've seen, mortality is decreased for all runners compared to non-runners. However, the greatest benefit was for people who ran a moderate amount. People who ran a lot regressed somewhat vs. the moderate runners, but still not to the level of the non-running population. There are also some serious methodological questions about the studies involved. The best analysis I've seen is here: http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/will-running-too-much-kill-you http://www.runnersworld.com/sweat-science/will-running-too-m... So no, there's no solid evidence that any amount of running is harmful. Maybe if someone did a study in a place where pollution was extra bad (e.g. Beijing) they would find such an effect, but I'm not aware of any such efforts.