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You'd need to also record yourself putting a real phone IN the box when you're shipping it, but it seems that even if you did, your evidence would just be ignor

by raquo 10y ago

You'd need to also record yourself putting a real phone IN the box when you're shipping it, but it seems that even if you did, your evidence would just be ignored by ebay.

weaksauce 10y ago
I mean, you can put a real phone in a box and film it but it's not foolproof as you can just open the box again and ship something else. it's not an easy problem to solve. especially with different jurisdictions in different countries. Even if you had a film of the box being delivered to the post office you could have a corrupt post office friend or a post office worker that is scamming things on their end by opening packages and replacing the contents.
- WalterBright 10y ago
  I took a photo of handing it to the USPS man.
  - megablast 10y ago
    So? You can still swap it out, or give him another box, or get your mate to dress up as a USPS man. There is no 100% way to prove you sent what you say you have.
    - kaybe 10y ago
      How about sealing it with glitter nailpolish? Take a picture of the dried seal, it's nearly impossible to produce the same pattern again.
      - grkvlt 10y ago
        So, you (the scammer) does this but leaves the bottom of the box open, and then remove the item, and glue the box back together, with a brick inside... This is the same (sort of) reason that mailing yourself something is not proof of anything, as you can mail yourself a bunch of empty, unsealed, envelopes, then seal them with whatever inside them at some time in the future.
    - WalterBright 10y ago
      100%? No. But I was sure to include his USPS badge in the photo, as well as the address on the box, and the background of the behind-the-counter post office. I figure it raises the difficulty of faking it substantially.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      Even legal process (especially civil legal process) doesn't rely on 100% proof to reach a result; it would be unreasonable for any dispute resolution procedure to do so.

by raquo 10y ago

You'd need to also record yourself putting a real phone IN the box when you're shipping it, but it seems that even if you did, your evidence would just be ignored by ebay.

weaksauce 10y ago

I mean, you can put a real phone in a box and film it but it's not foolproof as you can just open the box again and ship something else. it's not an easy problem to solve. especially with different jurisdictions in different countries. Even if you had a film of the box being delivered to the post office you could have a corrupt post office friend or a post office worker that is scamming things on their end by opening packages and replacing the contents.

WalterBright 10y ago
I took a photo of handing it to the USPS man.
- megablast 10y ago
  So? You can still swap it out, or give him another box, or get your mate to dress up as a USPS man. There is no 100% way to prove you sent what you say you have.
  - kaybe 10y ago
    How about sealing it with glitter nailpolish? Take a picture of the dried seal, it's nearly impossible to produce the same pattern again.
    - grkvlt 10y ago
      So, you (the scammer) does this but leaves the bottom of the box open, and then remove the item, and glue the box back together, with a brick inside... This is the same (sort of) reason that mailing yourself something is not proof of anything, as you can mail yourself a bunch of empty, unsealed, envelopes, then seal them with whatever inside them at some time in the future.
  - WalterBright 10y ago
    100%? No. But I was sure to include his USPS badge in the photo, as well as the address on the box, and the background of the behind-the-counter post office. I figure it raises the difficulty of faking it substantially.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    Even legal process (especially civil legal process) doesn't rely on 100% proof to reach a result; it would be unreasonable for any dispute resolution procedure to do so.