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Could you record the opening of the box and then go after eBay for allowing the fraud to occur?
by JonDav 10y ago
Could you record the opening of the box and then go after eBay for allowing the fraud to occur?
- windlep 10y agoHow would you prove you were opening the box as shipped? If investigative news meant anything, they'd be all over this. But most investigative news is gone, and there's so few investigative reporters and trustworthy news outlets left that its hard to hold ebay's feet to the fire.
- raquo 10y agoYou'd need to also record yourself putting a real phone IN the box when you're shipping it, but it seems that even if you did, your evidence would just be ignored by ebay.
- weaksauce 10y agoI mean, you can put a real phone in a box and film it but it's not foolproof as you can just open the box again and ship something else. it's not an easy problem to solve. especially with different jurisdictions in different countries. Even if you had a film of the box being delivered to the post office you could have a corrupt post office friend or a post office worker that is scamming things on their end by opening packages and replacing the contents.
- WalterBright 10y agoI took a photo of handing it to the USPS man.
- megablast 10y agoSo? You can still swap it out, or give him another box, or get your mate to dress up as a USPS man. There is no 100% way to prove you sent what you say you have.
- kaybe 10y agoHow about sealing it with glitter nailpolish? Take a picture of the dried seal, it's nearly impossible to produce the same pattern again.
- grkvlt 10y agoSo, you (the scammer) does this but leaves the bottom of the box open, and then remove the item, and glue the box back together, with a brick inside... This is the same (sort of) reason that mailing yourself something is not proof of anything, as you can mail yourself a bunch of empty, unsealed, envelopes, then seal them with whatever inside them at some time in the future.
- WalterBright 10y ago100%? No. But I was sure to include his USPS badge in the photo, as well as the address on the box, and the background of the behind-the-counter post office. I figure it raises the difficulty of faking it substantially.
- dragonwriter 10y agoEven legal process (especially civil legal process) doesn't rely on 100% proof to reach a result; it would be unreasonable for any dispute resolution procedure to do so.
- griffinmichl 10y agoI tried something along these lines. No luck. There is zero protection for sellers.
- noonespecial 10y agoAmazon actually accepts this as evidence and will find in your favor. Video yourself packing the original and unpacking the "return" and you will likely prevail selling on amazon. I have. Ebay sadly does not even provide you with a way to submit such evidence.
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- nommm-nommm 10y agoI've submitted video evidence to eBay before. Just include a link to an unlisted Youtube video.
- JonDav 10y agoThanks for letting us know, that is actually very helpful
- colechristensen 10y agoIf you ship USPS, you might be able to go through them. Mail fraud is a federal crime and they don't fuck around with it. (you don't get the same protection with UPS/FedEx/etc.)
- gruez 10y agoand if the fraudster is from another country? will the mail police order ebay to return the money?