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> in light of projects where people can actually get killed. Compared to what? Most states give out licenses to 16 year old kids with a few hours of driving sc

by bko 10y ago

> in light of projects where people can actually get killed. Compared to what? Most states give out licenses to 16 year old kids with a few hours of driving school. Once you get a license you never get retested for vision or driving ability. There are very dangerous elderly drivers on the road and car accidents are the leading cause of death of 1-44 year olds. Some allowable risk has to be accepted in order to have progress and a thriving society.

kyrra 10y ago
Vision tests depend on the state. Colorado and Texas both require vision tests every X years (depends on age in some cases).
Spivak 10y ago
I'm going to talk about my state's perspective because what you're saying sounds like madness. > 16 year old kids with a few hours of driving school The standard curriculum for 16 year old drivers is 12-16 hours of in class lecturing, 5 hours of in-car instruction with a licensed professional, a minimum of 50 hours of in-car instruction from a guardian or family member, a nuanced written test, and an hour in-car examination. That's just to get a restricted license. Until you get your real license 6 months later you have to additionally obey the following: * No passengers except for your guardian, parent, or instructor. * No driving after 11 PM. * Absolutely no cell-phone use (even hands free). * Any ticketable violation has a mandatory court appearance and will trigger a second round of more difficult driving instruction. > Once you get a license you never get retested for vision or driving ability. I have terrible vision and I have had to go through the test three times; after the third time I now have to my to wear my glasses to drive. It happens every time you have to renew your license. > car accidents are the leading cause of death of 1-44 year olds That's a bit misleading, there isn't much else that kills young people. My point is that in situations where there is that kind of risk involved we actually to go through a lot of effort to mitigate it.
- bko 10y ago
  That's a lot of regulations. I would think that teenage drivers are very safe. > In 2014, 2,270 teens in the United States ages 16–19 were killed and 221,313 were treated in emergency departments for injuries suffered in motor vehicle crashes. That means that six teens ages 16–19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries. In 2013, young people ages 15-19 represented only 7% of the U.S. population. However, they accounted for 11% ($10 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries. The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16-19-year-olds than among any other age group. In fact, per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are nearly three times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash. > Of the teens (aged 16-19) who died in passenger vehicle crashes in 2014 approximately 53% were not wearing a seat belt at the time of the crash.2 Research shows that seat belts reduce serious crash-related injuries and deaths by about half Perhaps someone can pass a law mandating seatbelt use! [0] https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/teen_drivers/teendrivers_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/teen_drivers/teendriv... Edit: it's also misleading that you suggest that the driver must have a minimum of 50 hours of driving experience. While technically true in NY State, all the applicant has to do is provide a completed Certification of Supervised Driving (MV-262) signed by your parent or guardian and that's only for teens under 18 year olds.
  - frgtpsswrdlame 10y ago
    Those teens are driving in all sorts of conditions that autonomous vehicles can't even touch right now.
silencio 10y ago
> Once you get a license you never get retested for vision or driving ability If you are in California, you will occasionally be required to go to an office in-person for DL renewals where your vision will be tested as part of the process. Many insurance companies also incentivize older drivers taking "mature driver improvement" courses every few years as a refresher. Then of course there's things like traffic school if you are driving and receive a moving traffic violation. This seems straightforward... Also, I might note this because I went through this process with my father... when your vision is bad enough to fail the DMV's criteria of 20/40 corrected vision with either or both eyes, they have a whole load of things they make you do. With my father he could theoretically hit the 20/40 vision requirement but made mistakes due to scarring from surgeries that blurred vision in only certain areas. He had to get documentation from his doctor as to what kind of driving he could potentially do (e.g. no night driving), got additional mirrors installed in the car, went through a special drive test (after he did his own refresher driving class voluntarily), and had a whole load of restrictions added to his already limited term license (e.g. he had to get a new license after only a couple of years, and every renewal would require a drive test). In the end, it was such a hassle despite zero functional issues driving that he ended up giving up his DL at the last renewal. If his vision had declined significantly from there, DMV would have immediately revoked the license and suspended his ability to receive a new one. So, sure, seniors and teens alike cause a lot of accidents, but we're not exactly lacking on trying to reduce problems.

by bko 10y ago

kyrra 10y ago

Vision tests depend on the state. Colorado and Texas both require vision tests every X years (depends on age in some cases).

Spivak 10y ago

I'm going to talk about my state's perspective because what you're saying sounds like madness. > 16 year old kids with a few hours of driving school The standard curriculum for 16 year old drivers is 12-16 hours of in class lecturing, 5 hours of in-car instruction with a licensed professional, a minimum of 50 hours of in-car instruction from a guardian or family member, a nuanced written test, and an hour in-car examination. That's just to get a restricted license. Until you get your real license 6 months later you have to additionally obey the following: * No passengers except for your guardian, parent, or instructor. * No driving after 11 PM. * Absolutely no cell-phone use (even hands free). * Any ticketable violation has a mandatory court appearance and will trigger a second round of more difficult driving instruction. > Once you get a license you never get retested for vision or driving ability. I have terrible vision and I have had to go through the test three times; after the third time I now have to my to wear my glasses to drive. It happens every time you have to renew your license. > car accidents are the leading cause of death of 1-44 year olds That's a bit misleading, there isn't much else that kills young people. My point is that in situations where there is that kind of risk involved we actually to go through a lot of effort to mitigate it.

bko 10y ago
That's a lot of regulations. I would think that teenage drivers are very safe. > In 2014, 2,270 teens in the United States ages 16–19 were killed and 221,313 were treated in emergency departments for injuries suffered in motor vehicle crashes. That means that six teens ages 16–19 died every day from motor vehicle injuries. In 2013, young people ages 15-19 represented only 7% of the U.S. population. However, they accounted for 11% ($10 billion) of the total costs of motor vehicle injuries. The risk of motor vehicle crashes is higher among 16-19-year-olds than among any other age group. In fact, per mile driven, teen drivers ages 16 to 19 are nearly three times more likely than drivers aged 20 and older to be in a fatal crash. > Of the teens (aged 16-19) who died in passenger vehicle crashes in 2014 approximately 53% were not wearing a seat belt at the time of the crash.2 Research shows that seat belts reduce serious crash-related injuries and deaths by about half Perhaps someone can pass a law mandating seatbelt use! [0] https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/teen_drivers/teendrivers_factsheet.html https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/teen_drivers/teendriv... Edit: it's also misleading that you suggest that the driver must have a minimum of 50 hours of driving experience. While technically true in NY State, all the applicant has to do is provide a completed Certification of Supervised Driving (MV-262) signed by your parent or guardian and that's only for teens under 18 year olds.
- frgtpsswrdlame 10y ago
  Those teens are driving in all sorts of conditions that autonomous vehicles can't even touch right now.

silencio 10y ago

> Once you get a license you never get retested for vision or driving ability If you are in California, you will occasionally be required to go to an office in-person for DL renewals where your vision will be tested as part of the process. Many insurance companies also incentivize older drivers taking "mature driver improvement" courses every few years as a refresher. Then of course there's things like traffic school if you are driving and receive a moving traffic violation. This seems straightforward... Also, I might note this because I went through this process with my father... when your vision is bad enough to fail the DMV's criteria of 20/40 corrected vision with either or both eyes, they have a whole load of things they make you do. With my father he could theoretically hit the 20/40 vision requirement but made mistakes due to scarring from surgeries that blurred vision in only certain areas. He had to get documentation from his doctor as to what kind of driving he could potentially do (e.g. no night driving), got additional mirrors installed in the car, went through a special drive test (after he did his own refresher driving class voluntarily), and had a whole load of restrictions added to his already limited term license (e.g. he had to get a new license after only a couple of years, and every renewal would require a drive test). In the end, it was such a hassle despite zero functional issues driving that he ended up giving up his DL at the last renewal. If his vision had declined significantly from there, DMV would have immediately revoked the license and suspended his ability to receive a new one. So, sure, seniors and teens alike cause a lot of accidents, but we're not exactly lacking on trying to reduce problems.