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Wtf is "new collar"? Some bullshit IBM-talk for hiring back the 20k skilled workers they fired earlier this year for less money/benefits?

by satysin 10y ago

tyingq 10y ago
If you search around for other places where she uses the term, it means jobs that require only vocational training. Handy that these "new collar" workers will be less expensive, right? Edit: The letter she wrote to Trump outlining what "new collar" means: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2016/11/15/IBM_LETTER_PG1.png http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/201...
- virmundi 10y ago
  Do we know that those new collar jobs will be less paid? In the resource you linked, security and data analysts are included. The could be vocational. They could be degree bearing. They could be advanced degree bearing. If they are paid less, it's probably do ease of entry.
  - tyingq 10y ago
    I posted a link in another comment in this thread that gives some idea. Their pilot program (6 year high schools) is targeting entry level jobs that pay $40k/year. They are definitely not degreed. I can't, of course, prove that this is displacing a job with a higher entry level salary, though I highly suspect it is. If it were a normal white collar opportunity, why call it new collar? That term obviously implies she's trying to shoehorn something in-between blue collar / white collar. Edit: I assume the $40k jobs are mostly in New York State, since the pilot school is in Brooklyn. I have no idea if $40k is a reasonable salary for say, Poughkeepsie.
    - virmundi 10y ago
      I think a lot of tech jobs are vocational. I know they don't require a college degree. I have one. I'm good at what I do. I've worked with several people who didn't have one, only a HS diploma, and they were good. This is part of the meritocracy that is tech. As to the entry level. While that is low from a SF perspective, in Florida, that's pretty good, especially in a semi-rural area. If IBM is putting data centers and the like in similar areas, the price for the employee is a good fit. Edit: don't get me wrong. I'm not a huge fan of IBM. I have a love/hate relationship (15000 red book pages under my belt). I also call their self-checkouts Nazi Clerks given their past.
- shostack 10y ago
  The job areas sound interesting, but I'm curious how their schools will train people sufficiently for data science and other such intellectually debating work. Not that these people aren't smart enough...I just question the ability to educate someone sufficiently for this stuff in 6 years as part of extended high school. I'd love to know more about what this means in practice. The play on words with "blue collar" might resonate with Trump but definitely has connotations with "lower paying" which is concerning when coming from a major tech employer like IBM. After all, under a services model your biggest overhead (and thus target for "optimization") tends to be salaries.
Spooky23 10y ago
Worker-bees. Still blue collar, except with khaki pants.

Wtf is "new collar"? Some bullshit IBM-talk for hiring back the 20k skilled workers they fired earlier this year for less money/benefits?

by satysin 10y ago

Wtf is "new collar"? Some bullshit IBM-talk for hiring back the 20k skilled workers they fired earlier this year for less money/benefits?

tyingq 10y ago

If you search around for other places where she uses the term, it means jobs that require only vocational training. Handy that these "new collar" workers will be less expensive, right? Edit: The letter she wrote to Trump outlining what "new collar" means: http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/2016/11/15/IBM_LETTER_PG1.png http://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/files/201...

virmundi 10y ago
Do we know that those new collar jobs will be less paid? In the resource you linked, security and data analysts are included. The could be vocational. They could be degree bearing. They could be advanced degree bearing. If they are paid less, it's probably do ease of entry.
- tyingq 10y ago
  I posted a link in another comment in this thread that gives some idea. Their pilot program (6 year high schools) is targeting entry level jobs that pay $40k/year. They are definitely not degreed. I can't, of course, prove that this is displacing a job with a higher entry level salary, though I highly suspect it is. If it were a normal white collar opportunity, why call it new collar? That term obviously implies she's trying to shoehorn something in-between blue collar / white collar. Edit: I assume the $40k jobs are mostly in New York State, since the pilot school is in Brooklyn. I have no idea if $40k is a reasonable salary for say, Poughkeepsie.
  - virmundi 10y ago
    I think a lot of tech jobs are vocational. I know they don't require a college degree. I have one. I'm good at what I do. I've worked with several people who didn't have one, only a HS diploma, and they were good. This is part of the meritocracy that is tech. As to the entry level. While that is low from a SF perspective, in Florida, that's pretty good, especially in a semi-rural area. If IBM is putting data centers and the like in similar areas, the price for the employee is a good fit. Edit: don't get me wrong. I'm not a huge fan of IBM. I have a love/hate relationship (15000 red book pages under my belt). I also call their self-checkouts Nazi Clerks given their past.
shostack 10y ago
The job areas sound interesting, but I'm curious how their schools will train people sufficiently for data science and other such intellectually debating work. Not that these people aren't smart enough...I just question the ability to educate someone sufficiently for this stuff in 6 years as part of extended high school. I'd love to know more about what this means in practice. The play on words with "blue collar" might resonate with Trump but definitely has connotations with "lower paying" which is concerning when coming from a major tech employer like IBM. After all, under a services model your biggest overhead (and thus target for "optimization") tends to be salaries.

Spooky23 10y ago

Worker-bees. Still blue collar, except with khaki pants.