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Don’t be a jerk about it though - just because there may be non-racist reasons for segregation to have occurred doesn’t mean that there weren’t outright racist
by pja 10y ago
Don’t be a jerk about it though - just because there may be non-racist reasons for segregation to have occurred doesn’t mean that there weren’t outright racist reasons too: sundown towns were a thing in the supposedly “enlightened” north-east for a start & undoing the effects of those racist policies doesn’t happen overnight.
- SiVal 10y agoThe existence of segregation is repeatedly cited as PROOF of racist oppression and anyone who says otherwise denounced as racist. The fact that segregation can easily emerge even with no oppression at all means that segregation alone is not sufficient to prove that any injustice has been committed at all much less that injustice/oppression/racism is the primary cause of the segregation.
- infinite8s 10y agoHowever, there is a difference between explicit segregation (black people can't use this bathroom or school, redlining) and the type that arises naturally from interactions between people.
- Angostura 10y agoCited as evidence perhaps. I would like to see these repeated assertions of proof.
- Baeocystin 10y agoHave a conversation with left-leaning, progressive college student. I wouldn't even have ever heard the term SJW, or be aware of how modern progressivism is so different from the liberal attitudes of my youth, if I didn't have younger family still in college.
- nommm-nommm 10y agoHousing segregation is extremely complex and multifaceted, I'm not sure anyone ever claimed otherwise. Most of the causes are probably due to ripple effects of historic policies.
- Baeocystin 10y agoI agree with what you're saying. My biggest desire is simply to get them to understand that reasonable people can just plain disagree on something, and that that doesn't necessarily make either one 'bad', because the real world is more complex than any one mental model.