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I won't bite on the "talent" part as that's obviously hard as hell to spot. Someone can seem entirely incompetent yet sitting on talent that hasn't been nurture

I won't bite on the "talent" part as that's obviously hard as hell to spot. Someone can seem entirely incompetent yet sitting on talent that hasn't been nurtured yet. What I do see and hear about are people that simply do not know how to program. FizzBuzz generally cuts out 50% or something out of the pool right? So that's 200 of those 400 resumes out the window already. If you can't pass FizzBuzz then I think it's safe to call you incompetent, right? From the POV of paying you to code, obviously. At least in Berlin there's a lot of competition for "talent" (perhaps we should call them skilled developers rather) and if one can already cut the number of applicants in half before even defining the job description... well then it's not hard to see how there might be a shortage. However I think if you're looking for entry level developers there are way more options.

ryandrake 10y ago
Old thread, but I'd like to point out that I don't think filtering out people who can't do FizzBuzz is "picky". What I'm calling picky is the extremely narrowly defined sets of skills people in this thread are looking for. There is a huge gulf between "competent programmer" and "expert in language A, platform B, and framework C". Most companies would be perfectly fine with the former (of which there is no shortage) and reject a lot of good candidates in a sometimes futile search for the latter.
- mullsork 10y ago
  So I was recently hunting for a new job after having worked with React & Mobx for the past two years. The company I'll start with is using Redux, with which I have zero experience, and I got a lot of offers/interest from Angular/Ember shops as well. I think it's fair to want someone who's experienced or at least has a fair bit of knowledge in either Angular/Ember/React if you're looking for a web dev. The companies I talked to were at least reasonable enough to know that general knowledge transcends whatever's the current hot framework.

ryandrake 10y ago

Old thread, but I'd like to point out that I don't think filtering out people who can't do FizzBuzz is "picky". What I'm calling picky is the extremely narrowly defined sets of skills people in this thread are looking for. There is a huge gulf between "competent programmer" and "expert in language A, platform B, and framework C". Most companies would be perfectly fine with the former (of which there is no shortage) and reject a lot of good candidates in a sometimes futile search for the latter.

mullsork 10y ago
So I was recently hunting for a new job after having worked with React & Mobx for the past two years. The company I'll start with is using Redux, with which I have zero experience, and I got a lot of offers/interest from Angular/Ember shops as well. I think it's fair to want someone who's experienced or at least has a fair bit of knowledge in either Angular/Ember/React if you're looking for a web dev. The companies I talked to were at least reasonable enough to know that general knowledge transcends whatever's the current hot framework.