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It's not realistic for every company to manage their own updates, especially not smaller companies. Even mandating companies having a person/department managin

It's not realistic for every company to manage their own updates, especially not smaller companies. Even mandating companies having a person/department managing updates, or potentially screw up a workday for people if they don't have that IT person, is not particularly advantageous.

CamperBob2 10y ago
It's not realistic for every company to manage their own updates, especially not smaller companies. Worse, you're no longer even allowed to schedule updates according to your business needs if you don't have an Enterprise license. Organizations that are too small to support their own 1960s-style MIS priesthood are completely at Microsoft's mercy.
- detaro 10y ago
  I thought Win 10 Pro has the Group Policy for this as well, or did they take it away in an update? (I mean, it is ridiculous to reserve that for the business-use versions, but I thought at least those get it)
  - Mithaldu 10y ago
    It has it, i use it, and people are FUDing based on hearsay or worse, their own failure to look things up.
    - CamperBob2 10y ago
      It has it, i use it, and people are FUDing based on hearsay or worse, their own failure to look things up. OK, here's your chance to correct the proverbial record. True or false: As with previous versions of Windows, I can configure Win10 Pro to download updates, install them, and/or reboot when, and only when, I tell it to. I can also choose to limit updates to genuine security-related matters. For any given update, I will be able to access the information needed to make this judgment, with no attempt at obscuration or deception on Microsoft's part. Under no circumstances will the appearance, feature set, or functionality of my Windows 10 Pro installation change without my permission. Further, I do not need to download and apply hacks of uncertain provenance to achieve these goals, nor do I need to maintain a separate "update server." Again: true, or false? A one-word answer will suffice but specific details are also welcome.
      - Mithaldu 10y ago
        True. For the following statements: > As with previous versions of Windows, I can configure Win10 Pro to download updates, install them, and/or reboot when, and only when, I tell it to. > I can also choose to limit updates to genuine security-related matters. > Under no circumstances will the appearance, feature set, or functionality of my Windows 10 Pro installation change without my permission. > I do not need to download and apply hacks of uncertain provenance to achieve these goals, nor do I need to maintain a separate "update server." Caveats: Selecting specific updates requires a third-party tool, wumt, or going manually with a known KB id via the windows update catalog site: http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/home.aspx http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/home.aspx The windows UI will only let you process all currently queued ones, if and when you choose to do so. (Though it does have an option to defer feature updates, which delays those by "months", but leaves security updates alone.) Further, when windows puts out combined updates (like these: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4000825 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4000825 ) you can't tease them apart in the Windows UI. However, you can, if you know the KBxxxx, use the catalog to download things separately as install files and skip over the automated process entirely. The above however only applies to selecting what to install. Under no circumstance will Win10Pro, if configured so, install or download anything without your direct approval. That said, there is a certain second caveat which might need to be mentioned: Once you have completed an install process for an update requiring a reboot, windows will proceed to lock you into the "i'll reboot then, but you can push it back a few weeks" procedure. However since the decision when to install is up to you, i don't consider this a big caveat.
- ntauthority 10y ago
  ... except the interactive UI has an option to reschedule a pending update installation/reboot for up to a week at a time. MSFT licensing has always been an unnavigable mess of SKUs, but the Professional SKU presumably hasn't been cut short this much that one can't set a local update server - it however is kind of problematic that even Microsoft's own documentation isn't a reliable source at most times...
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
    except the interactive UI has an option to reschedule a pending update installation/reboot for up to a week at a time. This doesn't meet my needs, sorry.

CamperBob2 10y ago

It's not realistic for every company to manage their own updates, especially not smaller companies. Worse, you're no longer even allowed to schedule updates according to your business needs if you don't have an Enterprise license. Organizations that are too small to support their own 1960s-style MIS priesthood are completely at Microsoft's mercy.

detaro 10y ago
I thought Win 10 Pro has the Group Policy for this as well, or did they take it away in an update? (I mean, it is ridiculous to reserve that for the business-use versions, but I thought at least those get it)
- Mithaldu 10y ago
  It has it, i use it, and people are FUDing based on hearsay or worse, their own failure to look things up.
  - CamperBob2 10y ago
    It has it, i use it, and people are FUDing based on hearsay or worse, their own failure to look things up. OK, here's your chance to correct the proverbial record. True or false: As with previous versions of Windows, I can configure Win10 Pro to download updates, install them, and/or reboot when, and only when, I tell it to. I can also choose to limit updates to genuine security-related matters. For any given update, I will be able to access the information needed to make this judgment, with no attempt at obscuration or deception on Microsoft's part. Under no circumstances will the appearance, feature set, or functionality of my Windows 10 Pro installation change without my permission. Further, I do not need to download and apply hacks of uncertain provenance to achieve these goals, nor do I need to maintain a separate "update server." Again: true, or false? A one-word answer will suffice but specific details are also welcome.
    - Mithaldu 10y ago
      True. For the following statements: > As with previous versions of Windows, I can configure Win10 Pro to download updates, install them, and/or reboot when, and only when, I tell it to. > I can also choose to limit updates to genuine security-related matters. > Under no circumstances will the appearance, feature set, or functionality of my Windows 10 Pro installation change without my permission. > I do not need to download and apply hacks of uncertain provenance to achieve these goals, nor do I need to maintain a separate "update server." Caveats: Selecting specific updates requires a third-party tool, wumt, or going manually with a known KB id via the windows update catalog site: http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/home.aspx http://www.catalog.update.microsoft.com/home.aspx The windows UI will only let you process all currently queued ones, if and when you choose to do so. (Though it does have an option to defer feature updates, which delays those by "months", but leaves security updates alone.) Further, when windows puts out combined updates (like these: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4000825 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4000825 ) you can't tease them apart in the Windows UI. However, you can, if you know the KBxxxx, use the catalog to download things separately as install files and skip over the automated process entirely. The above however only applies to selecting what to install. Under no circumstance will Win10Pro, if configured so, install or download anything without your direct approval. That said, there is a certain second caveat which might need to be mentioned: Once you have completed an install process for an update requiring a reboot, windows will proceed to lock you into the "i'll reboot then, but you can push it back a few weeks" procedure. However since the decision when to install is up to you, i don't consider this a big caveat.
ntauthority 10y ago
... except the interactive UI has an option to reschedule a pending update installation/reboot for up to a week at a time. MSFT licensing has always been an unnavigable mess of SKUs, but the Professional SKU presumably hasn't been cut short this much that one can't set a local update server - it however is kind of problematic that even Microsoft's own documentation isn't a reliable source at most times...
- CamperBob2 10y ago
  except the interactive UI has an option to reschedule a pending update installation/reboot for up to a week at a time. This doesn't meet my needs, sorry.