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And this is exactly why i dont understand the usage of windows in a professional environment. You have to make updates because of security but then updates fuc
by herbst 10y ago
And this is exactly why i dont understand the usage of windows in a professional environment.
You have to make updates because of security but then updates fuck up your work environment.
- ehnto 10y agoThe fact that it can at any time force a reboot of the machine is truly ridiculous for something aimed at office workers. More than once has a conference room laptop rebooted in the middle of a meeting because even the "postpone restart" only gave us durations less than that of the meeting. Then it doesn't prompt again, it just restarts. Surely the user couldn't be doing anything more important than a security patch right?
- wapz 10y agoWe had it update the morning of our product release. It was partially my fault as I hit update and shut down the night before, but we lost about 25 minutes of work right as the day started.
- pjmlp 10y agoThe IT guys weren't doing their job, WSUS exists for a reason.
- CamperBob2 10y agoBring back the Mainframe Priesthood! Make IBM Great Again!
- wfunction 10y agoWhat about those making presentations outside of a business? Like teachers/academics? Or some dude who wants to present something to his club? Surely none of those could possibly matter more than a security patch, right?
- noselasd 10y agoIt's not realistic for every company to manage their own updates, especially not smaller companies. Even mandating companies having a person/department managing updates, or potentially screw up a workday for people if they don't have that IT person, is not particularly advantageous.
- CamperBob2 10y agoIt's not realistic for every company to manage their own updates, especially not smaller companies. Worse, you're no longer even allowed to schedule updates according to your business needs if you don't have an Enterprise license. Organizations that are too small to support their own 1960s-style MIS priesthood are completely at Microsoft's mercy.
- detaro 10y agoI thought Win 10 Pro has the Group Policy for this as well, or did they take it away in an update? (I mean, it is ridiculous to reserve that for the business-use versions, but I thought at least those get it)
- Mithaldu 10y agoIt has it, i use it, and people are FUDing based on hearsay or worse, their own failure to look things up.
- CamperBob2 10y agoIt has it, i use it, and people are FUDing based on hearsay or worse, their own failure to look things up. OK, here's your chance to correct the proverbial record. True or false: As with previous versions of Windows, I can configure Win10 Pro to download updates, install them, and/or reboot when, and only when, I tell it to. I can also choose to limit updates to genuine security-related matters. For any given update, I will be able to access the information needed to make this judgment, with no attempt at obscuration or deception on Microsoft's part. Under no circumstances will the appearance, feature set, or functionality of my Windows 10 Pro installation change without my permission. Further, I do not need to download and apply hacks of uncertain provenance to achieve these goals, nor do I need to maintain a separate "update server." Again: true, or false? A one-word answer will suffice but specific details are also welcome.
- nimish 10y agoYour fault for not getting the appropriate group policy. Don't use consumer OS in the workplace!
- ehnto 10y agoHaha, I assumed there was probably a way to change that behaviour, but it is the only Windows machine here and I suspect a fairly low priority. But even as a consumer using it at home for gaming, it's still fairly annoying.
- wfunction 10y agoI hate this braindead nonsense so much. What if you're NOT in the workplace? Does everything important or non-interruptible only ever happen at a workplace? What if you're a high-schooler presenting your final project to your teacher for grading or something? What if you're in the middle of watching a movie with your family?
- EasyTiger_ 10y agoYou don't seriously expect to have any form of control over a consumer OS, do you? What do you think this is, Linux? How very dare you!
- nimish 10y agoSet active hours and keep your machine updated quickly or don't use Windows 10 consumer editions. Or use Linux/OS X. Forcing updates is the correct choice for consumers otherwise Microsoft gets blamed for their compromised machines, so it makes sense for them, and I don't blame them.
- cardiffspaceman 10y agoThis is badly implemented appliance thinking. Other appliances have forced updates that are tested and that don't interfere with the users' lives.
- nikanj 10y ago
- DangerousPie 10y agoDoes it actually reboot "at any time" though? In the last few months I only remember it rebooting "outside of productive hours", which you can set somewhere (and have a sane default for most office workers).
- cmdrfred 10y agoA lot of workers have bitlocker encrypted laptops, those have to reboot during the day by definition and yes they will force you to do so.
- MikusR 10y ago"postpone restart" gives up to a week.
- ehnto 10y agoNot in all circumstances, I suspect that perhaps if you've already postponed up to a week before you get given shorter time frames the next time around. For Win 10 at least, we've been given an hour as the longest time frame.
- pjmlp 10y agoThat is why WSUS exists, for professional environments to validate and have control how those updates are deployed.
- Already__Taken 10y agoBit annoying they just release a monthly bundle now though instead of each KB patch.
- cmdrfred 10y agoBut users would just remove the updates that let us monetize... I mean... Provide targeted suggestions to them!
- herbst 10y agoThis would make sense when this issues wouldnt only typically happen one some devices while not on others.
- adrianN 10y agoDo you know a system where updates never break things?
- herbst 10y agoNo. But i know of a system where you have enough control over it to avoid updates in the wrong moments and be able to fix the issues yourself when you know what you are doing. Hint: Its not Windows
- ntauthority 10y agoUh, the same applies to Windows as well - you just need to know more than you would probably expect to need to know to override defaults that are intended to prevent people from shooting themselves in the foot, and to read a tad more convoluted log files than would be typical on other systems.
- herbst 10y agoProbably, the only experience i have in any other OS than linux is the custumer side. And its a hell on Windows IMO
- vacri 10y agoI know of systems that don't take control of the machine for 30-60 minutes to update themselves (on a regular basis, no less). That's a breakage right there, because the machine is not usable. *nix happily updates itself and keeps on running - you only lose control of the box if there's a kernel upgrade that needs a reboot... which is done on your timetable.
- hawski 10y agoChromeOS. Probably Android from version 7 if OEM is using the two partition scheme. Of course if he is bothered enough to even provide updates in the first place.