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Designed by Microsoft?! Where did that come from? I know Microsoft is also a member of the AOMedia but as far as I know Google, Mozilla, and Cisco made the bigg

by mtgx 10y ago

Designed by Microsoft?! Where did that come from? I know Microsoft is also a member of the AOMedia but as far as I know Google, Mozilla, and Cisco made the biggest contributions with their VP10, Daala, and Thor codecs. Also, isn't AV1 mostly VP10? Are you confusing it with AVI? (by the way, one of the reasons why the AV1 name is stupid - Daala or Thor would work much better. Or even VP10 as a continuation of VP9, which has already gained significant support).

clouddrover 10y ago
> Designed by Microsoft?! VC-1 was designed by Microsoft. Microsoft originally tried to license it under royalty-free terms but was thwarted by various patent holders who formed a patent licensing pool to charge fees for VC-1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1 http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/VC1/Pages/Intro.aspx http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/VC1/Pages/Intro.aspx
- clouddrover 10y ago
  And for some historical context for Microsoft's position on codecs in HTML5 video, see these posts on the IE blog by Dean Hachamovitch from 2010 and 2011: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/04/29/html5-video/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/04/29/html5-video/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/05/03/follow-up-on-html5-video-in-ie9/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/05/03/follow-up-on-... https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2011/02/02/html5-and-web-video-questions-for-the-industry-from-the-community/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2011/02/02/html5-and-web... I don't think Microsoft's approach with HTML5 video codec licensing can be faulted. You really do have to be careful about the licensing issues and it's more complicated than in an ideal world it should be. Today Microsoft Edge supports VP9 video (by default only when hardware acceleration is available). Hopefully AV1 can establish itself without any serious patent licensing problems and the complicated licensing around web video will be a thing of the past.
gcp 10y ago
You are confusing AV1 with VC1. Re-read the post you're replying to.
- mtgx 10y ago
  I think the guy I replied to confused the codecs first. AV1 is the codec being developed by AOMedia, not VC-1. VC-1 doesn't fit into the story here, so I don't know where that came from.
  - niftich 10y ago
    VC-1 comes from the earliest ancestor post, which first confused the two.
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by mtgx 10y ago

clouddrover 10y ago

> Designed by Microsoft?! VC-1 was designed by Microsoft. Microsoft originally tried to license it under royalty-free terms but was thwarted by various patent holders who formed a patent licensing pool to charge fees for VC-1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VC-1 http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/VC1/Pages/Intro.aspx http://www.mpegla.com/main/programs/VC1/Pages/Intro.aspx

clouddrover 10y ago
And for some historical context for Microsoft's position on codecs in HTML5 video, see these posts on the IE blog by Dean Hachamovitch from 2010 and 2011: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/04/29/html5-video/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/04/29/html5-video/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/05/03/follow-up-on-html5-video-in-ie9/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2010/05/03/follow-up-on-... https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2011/02/02/html5-and-web-video-questions-for-the-industry-from-the-community/ https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/ie/2011/02/02/html5-and-web... I don't think Microsoft's approach with HTML5 video codec licensing can be faulted. You really do have to be careful about the licensing issues and it's more complicated than in an ideal world it should be. Today Microsoft Edge supports VP9 video (by default only when hardware acceleration is available). Hopefully AV1 can establish itself without any serious patent licensing problems and the complicated licensing around web video will be a thing of the past.

gcp 10y ago

You are confusing AV1 with VC1. Re-read the post you're replying to.

mtgx 10y ago
I think the guy I replied to confused the codecs first. AV1 is the codec being developed by AOMedia, not VC-1. VC-1 doesn't fit into the story here, so I don't know where that came from.
- niftich 10y ago
  VC-1 comes from the earliest ancestor post, which first confused the two.
- deleted 10y ago
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