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Definitely true, and all the ones I am familiar with are purposefully non-partisan. That is, they define as ethical things that both Democrats and Republicans a

Definitely true, and all the ones I am familiar with are purposefully non-partisan. That is, they define as ethical things that both Democrats and Republicans agree on.

idlewords 10y ago
That's very much not the case. Consider the epic battle between librarians and John Ashcroft in the wake of 9/11, over patron privacy.
- brighteyes 10y ago
  I am less familiar with the librarian code of ethics, but yes, from what I've heard they are quite unique and different from the others.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    This thread has another vivid example, with doctors and capital punishment, which is a hugely partisan issue. At some point we're going to hit No True Scotsman, aren't we?
    - brighteyes 10y ago
      Capital punishment is a good example, but also an extreme one, and slightly tangential. It isn't that doctors oppose capital punishment for the reasons the anti-capital punishment movement does (the government shouldn't kill people, mistakes are made, the sanctity of life, etc.); instead it is simply because it violates the doctors direct "do no harm" oath. And it is a rare corner case. Overall, there are plenty of doctors across the political spectrum. I mention this because the ethics proposed in "Never Again" are not like that. They would need to be changed quite significantly to be. That's the issue here.
      - diyorgasms 10y ago
        Doctors are also prohibited from assisting in "enhanced interrogations" performed by the US government. >"Any interrogation process that...requires a health professional to monitor the actual procedure, must have inherent health risks" and is thus "contrary to international law."[0] Torture is unfortunately political in America, with the president-elect and many on the right supporting it. And it's another thing an ethics board is standing against. [0]: https://www.propublica.org/article/medical-personnel-and-interrogations-what-do-we-know-what-dont-we-know-409 https://www.propublica.org/article/medical-personnel-and-int...

Definitely true, and all the ones I am familiar with are purposefully non-partisan. That is, they define as ethical things that both Democrats and Republicans agree on.

idlewords 10y ago

That's very much not the case. Consider the epic battle between librarians and John Ashcroft in the wake of 9/11, over patron privacy.

brighteyes 10y ago
I am less familiar with the librarian code of ethics, but yes, from what I've heard they are quite unique and different from the others.
- tptacek 10y ago
  This thread has another vivid example, with doctors and capital punishment, which is a hugely partisan issue. At some point we're going to hit No True Scotsman, aren't we?
  - brighteyes 10y ago
    Capital punishment is a good example, but also an extreme one, and slightly tangential. It isn't that doctors oppose capital punishment for the reasons the anti-capital punishment movement does (the government shouldn't kill people, mistakes are made, the sanctity of life, etc.); instead it is simply because it violates the doctors direct "do no harm" oath. And it is a rare corner case. Overall, there are plenty of doctors across the political spectrum. I mention this because the ethics proposed in "Never Again" are not like that. They would need to be changed quite significantly to be. That's the issue here.
    - diyorgasms 10y ago
      Doctors are also prohibited from assisting in "enhanced interrogations" performed by the US government. >"Any interrogation process that...requires a health professional to monitor the actual procedure, must have inherent health risks" and is thus "contrary to international law."[0] Torture is unfortunately political in America, with the president-elect and many on the right supporting it. And it's another thing an ethics board is standing against. [0]: https://www.propublica.org/article/medical-personnel-and-interrogations-what-do-we-know-what-dont-we-know-409 https://www.propublica.org/article/medical-personnel-and-int...