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Let's talk about "standards" clear (working drafts) throat... I seriously doubt one can innovate on the web, without using cross-browser hacks to only support

Let's talk about "standards" clear (working drafts) throat... I seriously doubt one can innovate on the web, without using cross-browser hacks to only support the non-IE crowd. Even "standards" as simple as the DOM would have you jumping through hoops, but don't believe me... http://ejohn.org/blog/the-dom-is-a-mess/ http://ejohn.org/blog/the-dom-is-a-mess/. Or something as simple as .nodeName from the HTML 5 spec? http://ejohn.org/blog/nodename-case-sensitivity/ http://ejohn.org/blog/nodename-case-sensitivity/ How about something as "simple" as border-radius? That's right, I can easily make a mess of every browser. Google Mail, as a browser front-end, is only amazing by virtue of innovations made by Microsoft and very little to do with anything since. Little to do with "standards" of today. Faster than Outlook? No; how? Better? Sure, but only because it is more accessible to me. Nothing to do with ActiveX, or shall I pontificate how GMail sucks because Firefox is a hungry beast and crashes under its own weight? No, that would make zero sense. I am looking to create good and fun websites and not sitting around to complain about how my job isn't made easy, because every browser has different levels of support. And believe me, I've been waiting a long time -- longer than you seem to grok -- for the W3C to "standardize" vector animation. Still waiting. Can't wait for the web to be free of these working groups and zealots.

megablast 16y ago
OK, so your point is that it is not perfect? Well what API is? Things are a lot better than they have been, things are getting better every year.
- thezilch 16y ago
  Correct, and all I am presenting is that it is very shortsighted to suggest IE hasn't, doesn't, or won't innovate. And frankly, and again, the IE4 through IE6 era saw more innovation (and speed of innovation) than we have seen since. It's hardly Microsoft's fault they were asked to stop innovating, after IE6, and it is much less their fault no one has been "innovating" until just recently. Flash filled -- fills -- a lot of gaps. ECMA tried to make a splash with CLI. Me? I stopped support of IE6, outside of what is easily hidden in libraries / wrappers, which means I can support almost everything still. As well, I use, support, and contribute to Chromium.

megablast 16y ago

OK, so your point is that it is not perfect? Well what API is? Things are a lot better than they have been, things are getting better every year.

thezilch 16y ago
Correct, and all I am presenting is that it is very shortsighted to suggest IE hasn't, doesn't, or won't innovate. And frankly, and again, the IE4 through IE6 era saw more innovation (and speed of innovation) than we have seen since. It's hardly Microsoft's fault they were asked to stop innovating, after IE6, and it is much less their fault no one has been "innovating" until just recently. Flash filled -- fills -- a lot of gaps. ECMA tried to make a splash with CLI. Me? I stopped support of IE6, outside of what is easily hidden in libraries / wrappers, which means I can support almost everything still. As well, I use, support, and contribute to Chromium.