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Is there a MSRP for the RYZEN flagship that they showed off today yet, because I havent seen one. But as long as it stays under the $1100 of the 6900K I think

by zython 10y ago

Is there a MSRP for the RYZEN flagship that they showed off today yet, because I havent seen one. But as long as it stays under the $1100 of the 6900K I think they can secure the mid to high-end enthusiast grade market which is good because I am tired of intel controlling that portion of the market

wmf 10y ago
There are rumors about $500.
- agumonkey 10y ago
  If they're still making an adequate profit at 500$ they're gonna grab a very healthy chunk of the market. It's more than half intel's competing product. Even price cuts ..
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    It will depend on how well they'll be able to push the CPU in 4 core mode. If they can't reach at least 4ghz it wouldn't matter. Games are not optimized well beyound 3-4 cores these days I can disable 2-3 cores on my 6 core CPU and maybe lose 5% fps in CPU intensive games. Intel can push their clocks pretty darn high especially with OC which now comes out of the box with every enthusiast grade motherboard. If you end up having a 3.4ghz part going against a 4.5ghz part the 4 extra cores might not matter. Even in professional use cases adobe doesn't scale above 4 threads like at all and many video encoders also don't scale some even don't scale beyond 2. The only thing that really scales well universally is 3D rendering.
    - agumonkey 10y ago
      Good points overall, but I wonder what about new usages like neural networks ? Seems like new tricks might make multi threading a bit more trendy compared to previous years.
      - dogma1138 10y ago
        I don't know what's the use case for heavy ANN work on only an 8 core part. For ANNs you want as many threads as possible I would think. Xeon SOCs and what ever AMD would pull out to compete with 48 and 64 thread parts would probably be something quite different than this.
        seanp2k2 10y ago
        Naples is their 32-core part on Zen: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-naples-32-core-zen-processors-photos.html http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-naples-32-core-zen-proc...
    - hvidgaard 10y ago
      > Even in professional use cases adobe doesn't scale above 4 threads like at all and many video encoders also don't scale some even don't scale beyond 2. I've mostly used open source encoders, but they all scaled well with more cores, and the Adobe suite has come a long way. It wouldn't make sense for a heavy user to get anything less than 6-8 cores using Adobe.
  - sliken 10y ago
    Percentage wise very few desktop CPUs sell for $500.
- mtgx 10y ago
  Probably the real price that such a processor should have. But we've gone so long without real competition in the PC chip market, we can't even tell anymore when Intel is ripping us off. Heck, even 99% of the "tech media" didn't notice (or didn't care to make a big deal out of it) when Intel swapped Core-based Celerons and Pentiums for significantly weaker, but much more profitable to build, Atoms. The consumers never stood a chance against Intel's progressive rip-off. Let's see how the market settles in 2-3 years, after the Zen architecture is fleshed out across device lines, and after Qualcomm commences its entrance in the notebook market with 50%-100% of "Core i7" performance (depending on which Core i7 [1]). [1] http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-renames-core-m-core-i http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-renames-core-m-core-...
- RUG3Y 10y ago
  If this is $500 then I'm likely a buyer.
eropple 10y ago
Per-thread performance tends to matter much more than number of cores for the enthusiast market, which has centered around the 6700K (which I've got in my own machine right now). The 6700K retails for $330 and is about 14% faster per-thread than the 6900K, which I'm betting is a tougher proposition for AMD to manage. This chip definitely seems rad, don't get me wrong--I just think the enthusiast market is sensitive to what this isn't, at present, doing.
- VodkaHaze 10y ago
  The chip auto-overclocks, too, which seems really cool
- lucaspiller 10y ago
  I'd say the popularity of the 6700K has a lot to do with its price point. Paired with a GTX 1070 or RX 480, for around $1000 you can build a very good gaming PC. If you want 6 cores you can get a 6800k for $150 more, but it also has a higher TDP and requires a more expensive motherboard (X99 vs Z170 chipset). This is going to put the total price up by at least $300. As you say most games still favour single-core performance so paying extra isn't worth it. DX12 and Vulkan will start to change that though, so let's see...
  - eropple 10y ago
    DX12/Vulkan isn't going to be a serious thing for a few years, though. At that point, I think that Optane is going to be a serious feature and upgrading to post-Skylake chipsets is gonna be on the table for those enthusiasts.
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by zython 10y ago

wmf 10y ago

There are rumors about $500.

agumonkey 10y ago
If they're still making an adequate profit at 500$ they're gonna grab a very healthy chunk of the market. It's more than half intel's competing product. Even price cuts ..
- dogma1138 10y ago
  It will depend on how well they'll be able to push the CPU in 4 core mode. If they can't reach at least 4ghz it wouldn't matter. Games are not optimized well beyound 3-4 cores these days I can disable 2-3 cores on my 6 core CPU and maybe lose 5% fps in CPU intensive games. Intel can push their clocks pretty darn high especially with OC which now comes out of the box with every enthusiast grade motherboard. If you end up having a 3.4ghz part going against a 4.5ghz part the 4 extra cores might not matter. Even in professional use cases adobe doesn't scale above 4 threads like at all and many video encoders also don't scale some even don't scale beyond 2. The only thing that really scales well universally is 3D rendering.
  - agumonkey 10y ago
    Good points overall, but I wonder what about new usages like neural networks ? Seems like new tricks might make multi threading a bit more trendy compared to previous years.
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      I don't know what's the use case for heavy ANN work on only an 8 core part. For ANNs you want as many threads as possible I would think. Xeon SOCs and what ever AMD would pull out to compete with 48 and 64 thread parts would probably be something quite different than this.
      - seanp2k2 10y ago
        Naples is their 32-core part on Zen: http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-naples-32-core-zen-processors-photos.html http://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-naples-32-core-zen-proc...
  - hvidgaard 10y ago
    > Even in professional use cases adobe doesn't scale above 4 threads like at all and many video encoders also don't scale some even don't scale beyond 2. I've mostly used open source encoders, but they all scaled well with more cores, and the Adobe suite has come a long way. It wouldn't make sense for a heavy user to get anything less than 6-8 cores using Adobe.
- sliken 10y ago
  Percentage wise very few desktop CPUs sell for $500.
mtgx 10y ago
Probably the real price that such a processor should have. But we've gone so long without real competition in the PC chip market, we can't even tell anymore when Intel is ripping us off. Heck, even 99% of the "tech media" didn't notice (or didn't care to make a big deal out of it) when Intel swapped Core-based Celerons and Pentiums for significantly weaker, but much more profitable to build, Atoms. The consumers never stood a chance against Intel's progressive rip-off. Let's see how the market settles in 2-3 years, after the Zen architecture is fleshed out across device lines, and after Qualcomm commences its entrance in the notebook market with 50%-100% of "Core i7" performance (depending on which Core i7 [1]). [1] http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-renames-core-m-core-i http://www.laptopmag.com/articles/intel-renames-core-m-core-...
RUG3Y 10y ago
If this is $500 then I'm likely a buyer.

eropple 10y ago

Per-thread performance tends to matter much more than number of cores for the enthusiast market, which has centered around the 6700K (which I've got in my own machine right now). The 6700K retails for $330 and is about 14% faster per-thread than the 6900K, which I'm betting is a tougher proposition for AMD to manage. This chip definitely seems rad, don't get me wrong--I just think the enthusiast market is sensitive to what this isn't, at present, doing.

VodkaHaze 10y ago
The chip auto-overclocks, too, which seems really cool
lucaspiller 10y ago
I'd say the popularity of the 6700K has a lot to do with its price point. Paired with a GTX 1070 or RX 480, for around $1000 you can build a very good gaming PC. If you want 6 cores you can get a 6800k for $150 more, but it also has a higher TDP and requires a more expensive motherboard (X99 vs Z170 chipset). This is going to put the total price up by at least $300. As you say most games still favour single-core performance so paying extra isn't worth it. DX12 and Vulkan will start to change that though, so let's see...
- eropple 10y ago
  DX12/Vulkan isn't going to be a serious thing for a few years, though. At that point, I think that Optane is going to be a serious feature and upgrading to post-Skylake chipsets is gonna be on the table for those enthusiasts.

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