5 ms·

But is it going to support ECC memory? Also with Intel you can upgrade to more performant Xeons. What can you upgrade AMD to?

by elcct 10y ago

peller 10y ago
There will most certainly be a server variant. Currently on schedule for Q2 (this article is about the desktop variant, which is scheduled for Q1. Maybe at CES?) For both companies, you typically need a different socket/chipset/mainboard for the server chips.
- simplyinfinity 10y ago
  Speculations AFAIK are that it will be presented at CES and go on sale by end of January... but don't quote me on that. Personally, I will be buying a new PC with Ryzen as soon as they get out.
kinghajj 10y ago
AMD typically includes ECC support in "consumer" chips. Not all boards, do. I'm worried too, though, that this still hasn't been confirmed yet. An 8-core at 3.4+ GHz sounds perfect for a workstation.
- devonkim 10y ago
  A lot of motherboard manufacturers have stopped supporting ECC on their boards with recent AMD sockets but I think Asus is the last holdout.
  - anoother 10y ago
    ASUS is one of the few that lists it on their spec sheets. But I believe Gigabyte also supports it on a number of current boards, along with some other manufacturers.
- stefantalpalaru 10y ago
  ECC support is the norm with AMD CPUs. Even my cheap GA-970A-UD3 motherboard supports it.
- aidenn0 10y ago
  I don't think any of the desktop APUs support ECC though (e.g. FM2, FM2+) (information on this is terribly hard to find).
zlynx 10y ago
The AMD server line has usually been named Opteron. And by the way, Xeon CPUs aren't usually faster than regular Intel chips. They may have more cache or more cores, which might speed up some programs. But otherwise, they're the same. Or even slower since their motherboards don't overclock well, overclocking not being a big selling point for servers.
- Glyptodon 10y ago
  One of my machines has a low-end Xeon because at the time it was basically 1:1 performance comparable to an i7, but cost ~$40 less because it had no integrated graphics.
  - elcct 10y ago
    Now you can score E5 pretty cheap on eBay even powerful dual cpu servers for a price of i7
  - buzzybee 10y ago
    The other day I thought to look into refurbished server and workstation boxes. Lots of last-gen Xeon machines to be had for 25% of their original retail, often likewise outfitted with a workstation-spec NV Quadro GPU - maybe a good choice if you've been working on laptops for years like me and could make use of more cores.
  - krob 10y ago
    http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/xeon-vs-i7i5-whats-difference/ http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/xeon-vs-i7i5-whats-differe... Biggest difference with i7 vs xeon, xeon can handle sometimes upwares of 1tb of ram now. i7 maxes out at 64gb. You be the judge. i7 were usually 32gb, especially the LGA1100 series. The LGA2011 were @ i7 handled 64gb. LGA 2011 Xeon's are all 64GB+. Also support for ECC ram. So basically if you are not pressed for raw CPU, and you need just a lot of cpu for simulations, VM's etc, xeon is your go to CPU. Xeon LGA2011 series has some crazy CPU Socket configurations, you can get a lot depending on the motherboard vendor. I think some as many as 4+ CPU Sockets. i7 cannot run in parallel with another socket I believe. Just like with the LGA2011 1600 vs 2600 series xeons.
Alupis 10y ago
> Also with Intel you can upgrade to more performant Xeons Xeons are not necessarily more performant, in fact, often they are less performant than their desktop brethren... They're server CPU's, designed for long uptime, typically underclocked compared to the same silicon in an i7/i5 package (they focus on stability, not sheer performance), support ECC memory (again, not performance related, rather stability), support more memory, etc.
Qantourisc 10y ago
Yes I am also worried about this, desktop are getting scary amounts of memory. And this will only get worse in the future.

But is it going to support ECC memory? Also with Intel you can upgrade to more performant Xeons. What can you upgrade AMD to?

by elcct 10y ago

But is it going to support ECC memory? Also with Intel you can upgrade to more performant Xeons. What can you upgrade AMD to?

peller 10y ago

There will most certainly be a server variant. Currently on schedule for Q2 (this article is about the desktop variant, which is scheduled for Q1. Maybe at CES?) For both companies, you typically need a different socket/chipset/mainboard for the server chips.

simplyinfinity 10y ago
Speculations AFAIK are that it will be presented at CES and go on sale by end of January... but don't quote me on that. Personally, I will be buying a new PC with Ryzen as soon as they get out.

kinghajj 10y ago

AMD typically includes ECC support in "consumer" chips. Not all boards, do. I'm worried too, though, that this still hasn't been confirmed yet. An 8-core at 3.4+ GHz sounds perfect for a workstation.

devonkim 10y ago
A lot of motherboard manufacturers have stopped supporting ECC on their boards with recent AMD sockets but I think Asus is the last holdout.
- anoother 10y ago
  ASUS is one of the few that lists it on their spec sheets. But I believe Gigabyte also supports it on a number of current boards, along with some other manufacturers.
stefantalpalaru 10y ago
ECC support is the norm with AMD CPUs. Even my cheap GA-970A-UD3 motherboard supports it.
aidenn0 10y ago
I don't think any of the desktop APUs support ECC though (e.g. FM2, FM2+) (information on this is terribly hard to find).

zlynx 10y ago

The AMD server line has usually been named Opteron. And by the way, Xeon CPUs aren't usually faster than regular Intel chips. They may have more cache or more cores, which might speed up some programs. But otherwise, they're the same. Or even slower since their motherboards don't overclock well, overclocking not being a big selling point for servers.

Glyptodon 10y ago
One of my machines has a low-end Xeon because at the time it was basically 1:1 performance comparable to an i7, but cost ~$40 less because it had no integrated graphics.
- elcct 10y ago
  Now you can score E5 pretty cheap on eBay even powerful dual cpu servers for a price of i7
- buzzybee 10y ago
  The other day I thought to look into refurbished server and workstation boxes. Lots of last-gen Xeon machines to be had for 25% of their original retail, often likewise outfitted with a workstation-spec NV Quadro GPU - maybe a good choice if you've been working on laptops for years like me and could make use of more cores.
- krob 10y ago
  http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/xeon-vs-i7i5-whats-difference/ http://www.velocitymicro.com/blog/xeon-vs-i7i5-whats-differe... Biggest difference with i7 vs xeon, xeon can handle sometimes upwares of 1tb of ram now. i7 maxes out at 64gb. You be the judge. i7 were usually 32gb, especially the LGA1100 series. The LGA2011 were @ i7 handled 64gb. LGA 2011 Xeon's are all 64GB+. Also support for ECC ram. So basically if you are not pressed for raw CPU, and you need just a lot of cpu for simulations, VM's etc, xeon is your go to CPU. Xeon LGA2011 series has some crazy CPU Socket configurations, you can get a lot depending on the motherboard vendor. I think some as many as 4+ CPU Sockets. i7 cannot run in parallel with another socket I believe. Just like with the LGA2011 1600 vs 2600 series xeons.

Alupis 10y ago

> Also with Intel you can upgrade to more performant Xeons Xeons are not necessarily more performant, in fact, often they are less performant than their desktop brethren... They're server CPU's, designed for long uptime, typically underclocked compared to the same silicon in an i7/i5 package (they focus on stability, not sheer performance), support ECC memory (again, not performance related, rather stability), support more memory, etc.

Qantourisc 10y ago

Yes I am also worried about this, desktop are getting scary amounts of memory. And this will only get worse in the future.