Hah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. For some reason I had it in my head that Notes got carried along with Symphony but it turns out it was the other way aro

Hah, yeah, that's a good way to put it. For some reason I had it in my head that Notes got carried along with Symphony but it turns out it was the other way around with Symphony being given away as a free add on to Notes. I had the "pleasure" of using a Notes/Domino solution back in the mid 90's but it was only for a couple of months; when I joined they were most of the way through a migration to MS Exchange/Office. Can't say I loved/hated it with the same zeal as other posters, just didn't have enough time to form an opinion at the time.