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> I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to. Trust me I used to be one of those people who would say the same thing you're sa

> I guess people don't like changes to the things they've grown accustomed to. Trust me I used to be one of those people who would say the same thing you're saying. I was like "What's the big deal? These people just don't like change. They'll get used to it." Except that you don't anymore. The reason I hate these changes is because things just don't work smoothly and disrupt your workflow, not to mention the UI being messy design-wise (I have NEVER complained about Apple's design changes ever since the first iPhone). And this is all because of the new features they introduced they're trying to shove down user's throats. Most of these features are built to satisfy Apple's agenda instead of making it easier for users to use. Just read what others have already said, these are features built for Apple, not for users.

kkoomi 10y ago
Nobody is forcing you to upgrade! They must make changes to make progress.
- tomatoman 10y ago
  laptops break, eventually you will have to
  - kkoomi 10y ago
    Laptops especially can use older versions of OS, easier than iOS
- cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
  Yes they are. Apple forces you to upgrade all the time. They keep sending push notifications until you find the option hidden somewhere in the settings and turn it off. You're assuming all changes are progress. They are not.
  - throwanem 10y ago
    How the hell do you turn that off? I'd love to know, because I'm not going to upgrade to iOS 10 until I'm sure it won't hose my phone, and I'm sick and tired of being bothered about it twice a day.
    - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
      http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/how-stop-ios-nagging-you-update-latest-version-3641478/ http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/how-stop-ios-nagging... Ridiculous, right?
      - throwanem 10y ago
        Perhaps, considering that I don't recall having ever had Automatic Updates turned on, and yet my phone had downloaded 10.1.something and was nagging me about installing it. (Automatic Updates already wasn't turned on when I followed the steps to disable it.) Deleting the update from the storage UI is a piece I hadn't previously run across, and I've gone ahead and done it. I'm now seeing the 10.2 update available, but it hasn't (yet) been downloaded; if a day goes by and it still isn't, then I'd have to say I owe you a beer, or several, for pointing me at a way to relieve what was getting to be a real pain in the neck. (Although why I failed to find this clue for myself is a curious question in its own right - it's certainly not for want of looking! In any case, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to point it out.)
      - Daneel_ 10y ago
        It's not really a proper solution as it kills app updates. (In a nutshell, the article advises disabling automatic updates) So yes, ridiculous..
        throwanem 10y ago
        Having long since ceased to trust automatic app updates in any case (cf. Uber location awareness creep and YouTube's perennial UI brokenness du jour), I see no problem there. On the other hand, I'm increasingly sure I have never had automatic updates enabled on this device, yet I had the iOS 10 update downloaded regardless. Perhaps I forgot having done that by hand, or perhaps the setting doesn't apply to OS updates; in any case, time will tell.
tooFastFuckYou 10y ago
"They must make changes to make progress." What does that have to do with his statement? He never said that he wanted them to stop making progress. He wants them to stop making changes THAT AREN'T PROGRESS. And yes, sometimes you DO have to update for current versions of software to work.
nicky0 10y ago
What is "Apple's agenda"? It seems to me you just dislike the changes (which is fair) and are dressing up your dislike as a conspiracy theory. Have you considered that the designers simply thought they were making it better?

kkoomi 10y ago

Nobody is forcing you to upgrade! They must make changes to make progress.

tomatoman 10y ago
laptops break, eventually you will have to
- kkoomi 10y ago
  Laptops especially can use older versions of OS, easier than iOS
cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
Yes they are. Apple forces you to upgrade all the time. They keep sending push notifications until you find the option hidden somewhere in the settings and turn it off. You're assuming all changes are progress. They are not.
- throwanem 10y ago
  How the hell do you turn that off? I'd love to know, because I'm not going to upgrade to iOS 10 until I'm sure it won't hose my phone, and I'm sick and tired of being bothered about it twice a day.
  - cocktailpeanuts 10y ago
    http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/how-stop-ios-nagging-you-update-latest-version-3641478/ http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/how-stop-ios-nagging... Ridiculous, right?
    - throwanem 10y ago
      Perhaps, considering that I don't recall having ever had Automatic Updates turned on, and yet my phone had downloaded 10.1.something and was nagging me about installing it. (Automatic Updates already wasn't turned on when I followed the steps to disable it.) Deleting the update from the storage UI is a piece I hadn't previously run across, and I've gone ahead and done it. I'm now seeing the 10.2 update available, but it hasn't (yet) been downloaded; if a day goes by and it still isn't, then I'd have to say I owe you a beer, or several, for pointing me at a way to relieve what was getting to be a real pain in the neck. (Although why I failed to find this clue for myself is a curious question in its own right - it's certainly not for want of looking! In any case, I greatly appreciate you taking the time to point it out.)
    - Daneel_ 10y ago
      It's not really a proper solution as it kills app updates. (In a nutshell, the article advises disabling automatic updates) So yes, ridiculous..
      - throwanem 10y ago
        Having long since ceased to trust automatic app updates in any case (cf. Uber location awareness creep and YouTube's perennial UI brokenness du jour), I see no problem there. On the other hand, I'm increasingly sure I have never had automatic updates enabled on this device, yet I had the iOS 10 update downloaded regardless. Perhaps I forgot having done that by hand, or perhaps the setting doesn't apply to OS updates; in any case, time will tell.

tooFastFuckYou 10y ago

"They must make changes to make progress." What does that have to do with his statement? He never said that he wanted them to stop making progress. He wants them to stop making changes THAT AREN'T PROGRESS. And yes, sometimes you DO have to update for current versions of software to work.

nicky0 10y ago

What is "Apple's agenda"? It seems to me you just dislike the changes (which is fair) and are dressing up your dislike as a conspiracy theory. Have you considered that the designers simply thought they were making it better?