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While I agree praying doesn't do anything, you're overlooking that there are a lot of people that strongly disagree with us. To them, praying is an important ac

by r_smart 10y ago

While I agree praying doesn't do anything, you're overlooking that there are a lot of people that strongly disagree with us. To them, praying is an important act, and praying for you is likely something they will literally do because they think it will help. Granted, there are many people who say it as a platitude but don't actually do it.

cr0sh 10y ago
> you're overlooking that there are a lot of people that strongly disagree with us. No - I am not overlooking these people. I know very well that they exist, and I often find myself wondering about their thinking process. I say this also as a former person of faith (Wicca), as I often wonder about my own at the time, my own today, and the what/why of the changeover. I have yet to be able to answer that satisfactorily for myself. > To them, praying is an important act, and praying for you is likely something they will literally do because they think it will help. I understand that, but it also goes counter to published research which indicates that those who are prayed for do worse than those who aren't (I believe the study was in regards to patients recovering in a hospital, and that they were told whether or not they were being prayed for). The difference in rates of recovery were very minor (IIRC, less than 1 percent) - and other studies have shown the opposite. Ultimately, everything indicates that it is no better than random chance. I just wonder why people, despite being presented such evidence, choose fantasy over reality. > Granted, there are many people who say it as a platitude but don't actually do it. Those who do this, I hold in high contempt - above and beyond those who believe it will actually help. Because the true faithful are showing compassion toward the less fortunate (regardless of the actual outcome), while those saying it as a platitude are just doing so to gain some kind of "social points", likely knowing fully that their words mean nothing. Separating the two classes, though, can be difficult or impossible, unfortunately...

by r_smart 10y ago

cr0sh 10y ago

> you're overlooking that there are a lot of people that strongly disagree with us. No - I am not overlooking these people. I know very well that they exist, and I often find myself wondering about their thinking process. I say this also as a former person of faith (Wicca), as I often wonder about my own at the time, my own today, and the what/why of the changeover. I have yet to be able to answer that satisfactorily for myself. > To them, praying is an important act, and praying for you is likely something they will literally do because they think it will help. I understand that, but it also goes counter to published research which indicates that those who are prayed for do worse than those who aren't (I believe the study was in regards to patients recovering in a hospital, and that they were told whether or not they were being prayed for). The difference in rates of recovery were very minor (IIRC, less than 1 percent) - and other studies have shown the opposite. Ultimately, everything indicates that it is no better than random chance. I just wonder why people, despite being presented such evidence, choose fantasy over reality. > Granted, there are many people who say it as a platitude but don't actually do it. Those who do this, I hold in high contempt - above and beyond those who believe it will actually help. Because the true faithful are showing compassion toward the less fortunate (regardless of the actual outcome), while those saying it as a platitude are just doing so to gain some kind of "social points", likely knowing fully that their words mean nothing. Separating the two classes, though, can be difficult or impossible, unfortunately...