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More virtue signaling and keyboard heroism! But you really lost me at the less-than-subtle Hitler reference.

by sheraz 10y ago

eropple 10y ago
I signed this, and I didn't sign it either to signal virtue or to be a keyboard hero. I signed it to have something to stick to if something that would compromise my morals does arise. Your cynicism is unfortunate and gross.
- sheraz 10y ago
  So we disagree. Fair enough. However, I don't think my cynicism is unfounded. Nor would I call it cynicism but rather realism. I mean, do you really need to have sent a pull request to remind you to not do things that make you feel morally bankrupt? That you signed it leads me to conclude that you have actually bought into the "Trump is a Nazi" rhetoric. I'll explain: 1. Neveragain.tech - the name itself is a well known reference among Jews, "Never Again", in reference to the Holocaust [1]. The creators do this in a cheap effort to position themselves as/with the aggrieved in a "new Holocaust" narrative. 2. Furthering on this thinly-veiled narrative of "new Holocaust" they make more references to past mass deportations and genocides -- grouping them as if they are similar items in a basket. They are not. They are unique events in history, each with their own unique political, social, and other dynamics. Yet more intellectual dishonesty. 3. The document is written as if there is something new in the coming administration versus the previous ones. You want to stop collecting information on race? Then end the census. Abolish the IRS. End the FBI national crime database. You see, this is not a pledge against anything new. It applies as much to Obama, Bush, or any administration going back in time. Last point -- my point of view is neither cynical or gross. This pledge is cynical and gross. It is cynical and gross to use genocide and the memory of the Holocaust to build a narrative of doom and gloom around the incoming administration. It is cynical and gross to paint only negative outcomes as a result of stepped up enforcement of immigration and counter-terrorism law. As always, the answers are somewhere in the middle. [1] - http://english.stackexchange.com/a/39173 http://english.stackexchange.com/a/39173
- ForHackernews 10y ago
  Can you see my reply elsewhere on this thread? Can you genuinely imagine a scenario where you be prompted to take action based on this pledge?
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  - mundo 10y ago
    If you read any of the pieces discussing the late Thomas Schelling's contribution to game theory, you know that making a pledge to do X if Y occurs is a perfectly sound strategy to discourage Y from happening.
    - ForHackernews 10y ago
      What if Y has already happened? I submit that large tech companies already have existent today, "databases of identifying information...to target individuals based on race, religion, or national origin. "

More virtue signaling and keyboard heroism! But you really lost me at the less-than-subtle Hitler reference.

by sheraz 10y ago

More virtue signaling and keyboard heroism! But you really lost me at the less-than-subtle Hitler reference.

I signed this, and I didn't sign it either to signal virtue or to be a keyboard hero. I signed it to have something to stick to if something that would compromise my morals does arise. Your cynicism is unfortunate and gross.

sheraz 10y ago
So we disagree. Fair enough. However, I don't think my cynicism is unfounded. Nor would I call it cynicism but rather realism. I mean, do you really need to have sent a pull request to remind you to not do things that make you feel morally bankrupt? That you signed it leads me to conclude that you have actually bought into the "Trump is a Nazi" rhetoric. I'll explain: 1. Neveragain.tech - the name itself is a well known reference among Jews, "Never Again", in reference to the Holocaust [1]. The creators do this in a cheap effort to position themselves as/with the aggrieved in a "new Holocaust" narrative. 2. Furthering on this thinly-veiled narrative of "new Holocaust" they make more references to past mass deportations and genocides -- grouping them as if they are similar items in a basket. They are not. They are unique events in history, each with their own unique political, social, and other dynamics. Yet more intellectual dishonesty. 3. The document is written as if there is something new in the coming administration versus the previous ones. You want to stop collecting information on race? Then end the census. Abolish the IRS. End the FBI national crime database. You see, this is not a pledge against anything new. It applies as much to Obama, Bush, or any administration going back in time. Last point -- my point of view is neither cynical or gross. This pledge is cynical and gross. It is cynical and gross to use genocide and the memory of the Holocaust to build a narrative of doom and gloom around the incoming administration. It is cynical and gross to paint only negative outcomes as a result of stepped up enforcement of immigration and counter-terrorism law. As always, the answers are somewhere in the middle. [1] - http://english.stackexchange.com/a/39173 http://english.stackexchange.com/a/39173
ForHackernews 10y ago
Can you see my reply elsewhere on this thread? Can you genuinely imagine a scenario where you be prompted to take action based on this pledge?
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- mundo 10y ago
  If you read any of the pieces discussing the late Thomas Schelling's contribution to game theory, you know that making a pledge to do X if Y occurs is a perfectly sound strategy to discourage Y from happening.
  - ForHackernews 10y ago
    What if Y has already happened? I submit that large tech companies already have existent today, "databases of identifying information...to target individuals based on race, religion, or national origin. "